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by alexandercrohde·10y ago·view on hn ↗
Not too much new in this piece.

I wonder why the interviewee is so confident that the world will always be a place of conflict. I can think of no rational, or no necessary, reason why multiple conflicting powers should exist based on the lines on a map.

Perhaps it's for the same reason he is religious (i.e. he's just wrong sometimes, like every human).

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A conflict between two people only needs one of them to start it. The FBI does not consent to the existence of crime, nor did the Crown consent to the existence of the US. A crushingly-powerful global omni-state could only win battles, not end the game.

If you tried to prevent conflict by making people afraid to start it, then you would really just end up holding yourself in perpetual conflict with everyone.

All great apes have hierarchical, territorial, aggressive societies.

Most don't have maps though.

Humans primarily distinguish themselves by their creative abstractions and rationalizations to justify fighting/killing other tribes...also imaginary friends in the sky who demand it, nonexistent differences in DNA, etc., etc. Territorial disputes are the least imaginary of the lot.

(Desmond Morris's 'The Naked Ape' is an interesting look at how human behavior relates to apes - spoiler alert, a lot of similarities https://www.amazon.com/Naked-Ape-Zoologists-Study-Animal/dp/... ... I've heard good things about 'Sapiens' as well https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/d... )

> I wonder why the interviewee is so confident that the world will always be a place of conflict.

It always has been.

> I can think of no rational, or no necessary, reason why multiple conflicting powers should exist based on the lines on a map.

You mean other than the fact that it's always been that way? These are just tribes on a larger scale, humans are tribal, we fight, it's in our nature.

> ...we fight, it's in our nature.

Do we perform any action that is not "in our nature"? Do you feel the same way about slavery which, until relatively recently, was the natural order of things?

Slavery is still very much alive, it's just no longer publicly supported. Saying something is in our nature doesn't justify it, it's merely an explanation why something still is. As long as resources are scarce, man will fight, that is the way of things.
> Slavery is still very much alive, it's just no longer publicly supported.

That misses the point, but I can pin the example down if that helps: ... publicly supporting slavery, until relatively recently, was the natural order of things. The point is that saying "something is in our nature" doesn't justify it or explain it - because everything everybody has ever done or will do is something in our nature.

> As long as resources are scarce, man will fight...

This is better than the nature angle, but not by much - as pretty much anything (including adherents to a religion) can be called "resources". We just need to crack the whole post-scarcity thing... kind of a silver lining.

> saying "something is in our nature" doesn't justify it or explain it

It doesn't justify it, never claimed it did, but it most certainly does explain it.

I understand your position, but I guess I've failed to communicate mine effectively - because you don't seem to understand me when I've said in two different ways that your nature argument is tautological.
Ok, better to just say that, but I still don't agree.

> Do we perform any action that is not "in our nature"?

Of course we do, much of culture isn't in our nature, but is learned. Advanced mathmatics isn't in our nature, it is learned. "in our nature" essentially means because it's human, and that isn't tautological imho. The OP could think of no reason humans would have conflict over land, human nature is a reason, this is not tautological.

Maybe he knows the CIA plans to keep it that way.
Lets start with the absolutely obvious - there are not enough resources for everyone. Oil, gas, water and food supply are national security interests of the highest order with zero or very small elasticity and long market response delays. A crunch in any of those leads to internal or external instability.

Free market in supply crunch is great for the people that have the money or the supply. The ones that only have demand can either go to war or get destroyed as a nation.

The arab spring was not caused by the sudden love for democracy. It was caused because of the massive spike in commodities and staples' prices across north of Africa and parts of the middle east.