It is not true. Russia invaded directly into Crimea and East Ukraine, with very little help from locals. Moreover, Russians says on video that locals don't want to war. 70% of people in East Ukraine are Ukrainians, anyway. Official version was that Russia need to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians from other Ukrainians, because they will kill them.
i wonder when was the previous fight? Does it mean the fight between Soviet Red Army and Ukranian nationalists forces OUN/UPA during WWII? Those OUN/UPA who collaborated with Nazi, and performed the genocide of Poles and Jews, in particular in Lviv region where Ukranian population was only 10% before the genocide. The forces that came to power in Kiev in February 2014 have always celebrated the leaders of the OUN/UPA (i.e. Bandera, Shushkevich and the likes) and have made them official heroes of Ukraine since then. No wonder that Russians in Donbass(30+%) and Russians in Crimea(60%) felt that it is "time to go" when these forces took power by coup and the very first act of the new regime during the first days in power was the "[Anti Russian] language law". The message was pretty clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
"The killings were directly linked with the policies of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, whose goal as specified at the Second Conference of the OUN-B on 17–23 February 1943 (or March 1943 according to other sources) was to purge all non-Ukrainians from the future Ukrainian state."
OUN/UPA does not collaborate with Nazi after declaring of independence of Ukraine in Lviv in September 1941. More than 600 of OUN members were executed in Babi Yar by Germans. Leader of OUN, Stepan Bandera was German prisoner until end of war. See Nuremberg documents for more details. Just warning: it is officially prohibited to review results of Nuremberg process.
Quote from Wikipedia: A captured German document of November 25, 1941 (Nuremberg Trial O14-USSR) ordered: "It has been ascertained that the Bandera Movement is preparing a revolt in the Reichskommissariat which has as its ultimate aim the establishment of an independent Ukraine. All functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated..."[43]
Yep, main target of OUN was to free Ukraine from Polish colonists and stop Polonization of Ukrainians (AKA Pacification). However, Volynia massacre was response to German operation against Ukrainian partisans with help of local Polish military police formed from Polish colonists at territory of Ukraine. OUN/UPA were not involved as organizations, only their members. Official documents of OUN/UPA stated that they wanted to keep peace with Polish people at that time because of greater threat from Germany and USSR.
> No wonder that Russians in Donbass(30+%) and Russians in Crimea(60%) felt that it is "time to go" when the very first act of the new regime during the first days in power was the "[Anti-Russian] language law".
Russians are always free to go back to Russia. Please, tell me more about "[Anti-Russian] language law". I never heard about that. Constitution of Ukraine says that Russian language is protected at Ukraine.
>However, Volynia massacre was response to German operation against Ukrainian partisans with help of local Polish military police formed from Polish colonists at territory of Ukraine.
even if that were true (which it isn't, again - facts are available on the Internet), only in the mind of rabid nationalists can a genocide be a response to military operation.
When Russians killed 7 millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor) - it was minor economic problem. When Ukrainian will kill even few hundreds of thousands of Russians - it will be major genocide.
Documents about Polish military police at Volyn: Motyka G. Polski policjant na Wołyniu // «Karta». — 1998. — № 24.
Again, if you wanna discuss Holodomor, or insufficient attention and emphasis on it in modern Russian politics for example - be my guest, i pretty much agree with it. Yet Russians dont' say that Holodomor was a response to something.
Soviet Army committed a bunch of atrocities against German population - it is also very unpopular topic in Russia, yet nobody is trying to frame it as a response for the German actions.
>When Russians killed 7 millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor)
do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration? My grandparents i mentioned above had never said anything bad about Russians, it is the local kolhoz administration, Party officials and the whole USSR government system, independent of ethnicity, that had always been target of their hot ("matyugi") words.
>When Ukrainian will kill even few hundreds of thousands of Russians
"even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists.
> do you really think that it were specifically ethnic Russian policemen that came all the way to enforce "law of Spikelets" and passports laws, not the local communists/activists/police/kolhoz administration?
> "even few hundreds of thousands of Russians" - as i said there huge difference between normal people and Ukranian nationalists.
Do you think only Ukrainians will shoot Russians?
I googled this back and fort a number of times to no avail.
Do you have direct pointers?
> I assume that trhway is from Russia.
I have given up on categorizing trhway :-)
> It is law in Russia.
OK, I see. I only googled in English which might explain the lack of results. (The closest thing I found was that there was no possibility of appeal for the convicted.) Still a bit confused as to why Russians would create a law about the results of the Nuremberg trials.
When the foreign backed neo-nazis/nationalists where used as pawns to overthrow a democratically elected president and cabinet (with an approval rating higher than Obama), and then set out on a campaign of getting rid of all opposition, it became very true. And there are videos of their criminal conduct all over the internet.
The people fighting in the East break-away regions are people who do not want to be part of what you have to offer - which is nothing.
And the people of Crimea are quite happy with the current outcome.
And if Russia was truly invading Ukraine, it would have been done and over within 2 days.
Your entire new government structure is there to oppress you, lie to you, steal as much as possible from you, and to keep maintaining an ongoing conflict with Russia... All brought to you by some very nasty geo-politics from abroad.
I think it's still quite possible to find Odessa videos on Youtube..
Odessa people are crying and waiting for Russian army to come. (J)
Also their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/TretiPivni/
I think there's much more to Ukraine than what we read or don't read on the news.
As someone from the outside looking in, my heart breaks for many friends in Ukraine who lost their homes. I wrote this for my Donetsk friends who had to uproot: http://nguonthieng.com/thirty-ba-muoi/story-of-the-wind.html