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by chha·9y ago·view on hn ↗
One would think that making laws and regulations easily accessible would be a priority for lawmakers. Is this issue exclusive to Georgia, or are there other states or nations with similar restrictions?
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One would think wrong. If the populace fully understood the amount of sheer stupidity in the laws and regulations the politicians create there would be problems.

Plus, when the populace is ignorant of how easily they can become criminals in the eyes of the state, the easier they are to control.

> One would think that making laws and regulations easily accessible would be a priority for lawmakers.

Not really. It continues the trend towards making poverty a crime.

How is that a trend, and not just the reality this country was founded on? How many of the original people here were either indentured, or just enslaved? We just keep shuffling the verbiage and the optics every few decades while refining the overall system. Slavery in prisons, rotating jail terms for people who can't pay fines for arbitrary crap, no education, no hope, and no voice.
I wouldn't say the country was "founded" on such things. Yes, they were interwoven into the fabric of the country at the time; but the country was also created in a way that opened the door to remove those things.

As for your last sentence; that's the inevitable outcome of almost all civilizations which is why revolutions happen at a somewhat steady rate.

It was literally founded on those things, in the sense that the original inhabitants were about 50% indentured and they built the damned place. Saying that the US wasn't founded on these realities is like saying the AU wasn't founded as a prison colony.
As someone who is part Cherokee (on the Dawes' Rolls), what do you mean by 'original inhabitants'?
In context, what do you think? Did your people found the US, or practice indentured servitude and slavery? As I understand it you were part of a very different and much older nation that predated the current one. Again, as I understand the people I'm describing came by and decided to take it from you, founding a new one its place. I'm not endorsing that, and my ancestry is utterly unrelated to either group's history.
Some Native Americans did, in fact, have and sold slaves.
So, by your logic, anything happening during a country's founding we deem today as bad means that country was founded on those bad things. Then every single country on Earth in all of human history was founded on bad things.

That's silly logic.

No, that isn't my logic and isn't what I said. In the case of the US it's been a continuous legacy that began with indentured servitude and slavery, continued through slavery and sharecropping, and now exists today in various forms including in prisons.

If you can't or won't argue the points I'm actually making, don't try to inject your own version of what you think I might be saying.

Well, it is your logic, you should own it.

I am arguing the points you are making, I disagree with your claim that bad things happening during the formation of a country is the basis of that country. You are the one using generalized statements to label an entire nation of people as evil.

If you want to say some, I repeat some, of the founders had unfortunate attitudes toward slavery then that's fine. Some of them did, some of them did not. But you are heavily insinuating that everyone, EVERYONE, at the time of the formation of the country was in favor of indentured servitude and slavery. Which is simply not true. I would assume the indentured servants and slaves who later became citizens would not be in agreement with such things. Although, I'm willing to bet we could find examples of ones that were.

Did those individual points happen in the US throughout its history? Yes they did, I have no problem agreeing to that. But since you seem to suggest that the US is a bad country due to that history then by standard logic we must dictate that every other country that have had similar bad things in its history must equally be bad. Which is quite likely every single country this planet has ever had throughout human history. You are choosing to ignore the good to point out the bad and then blame everyone for it, whether they are responsible or not. That is silly logic.

Just because a country has bad moments in its history does not mean that is the basis and fabric of that country.

It required a civil war to remove slavery. The country was not built to have war as the mechanism for change.
The civil war was not required to remove slavery, it could easily have been removed via the law; which it was. The war was the unfortunate result of the lawful attempts to remove slavery from the country. If the war had not happened, the Southern states would have left the country to form their own with slavery and the remaining US states would have continued making slavery illegal. The war was partly to keep the Union together. But it's a complicated thing that doesn't have just one simplified element to it.
Besides all EU legislation being available online I think there is an obligation for member states to publish their legislation for free as well.

I dunno about other states but in my country there is a small federal agency whose only job is to publish legal and civil information, including some very good books about the legal and political system; the state pays for most of it, so they are quite affordable (couple Euros).