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by mstank·9y ago·view on hn ↗
I know this is not tech related but I really wish it would surface to the HN front page. HN is by far the most intelligible and thoughtful comment section for news I've come across. There is a gaping hole in moderated discussions for these topics.
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Part of the reason the comments are higher quality is because this site isn't full of political food fights, which drive away such commenters. Putting much politics on the front page would kill the golden goose.
Eh, unlike some of the other conversations, politics is a saturated market. I'm not sure you'd hear anything new here, and it won't stand out in the noise anyway.

Curious though, what would you hope to hear discussed? Geopolitical intrigue? Tech industry angle?

Here's one interesting thing I'll say: The vast majority of this kind of "news" consists of non-events. Think about it when you see the next story. So-and-so will have delivered a form to whats-her-face over in the fleem department and their press office will be releasing comments to the newspapers. None of this stuff means anything if you don't know the context. It's pretty funny.

For myself, I'd like to see a breakdown on why each side feels a specific way -- for example, not everyone who hates Trump loves Hillary, and not everyone who supports Trump really likes the guy, but are focused on specific policies that touch them.

A contractor that I work with has been hit really hard by rapidly increased monthly health care premiums, so he is not in favor of Obama care. On the other hand, my significant other is medically disabled, and the ACA has been a godsend for her. For myself, I'm comfortable with employer provided insurance, don't have family coverage, so that issue doesn't affect me personally either way.

I'd like to hear more specifics issues like this, along with possible solutions that have a good chance of working.

I believe there's a gaping hole because there is little demand.

Rabid radical idiots inflame passions, drive engagement, sharing, etc. Rationalism and thoughtfulness simply can't compete. It's too hard and complicated.

I've seen many websites go this way. Some choose to misrepresent issues to rile up their user base. I've stopped patronizing sites that I contributed to for over a decade as a result.

Always remember the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

― Michael Crichton

Maybe there needs to be a separate political HN site with the same login so people whom want to engage can do so and others can opt-out? Say: https://political.news.ycombinator.com

Also, any stories deemed mostly political can just be moved there instead of being censored/shutdown with flagged and reserve flagged for truly nonstories and spam.

Heavy moderation is key, whether by the mods or community. Having a whole political channel to moderate isn't worth the resources for YC.

It's an opportunity a startup. Think of what Quora did to Q&A sites like Yahoo Answers. A startup that can deliver a higher-level of discussion but for politics and current events.

These stories (current news-of-the-day stories) have been offtopic pretty much forever so it's hard to see how they are being 'censored'.
You clearly have never read any political comments on this site. Just look at the Chelsea Manning comments for a look at how "intelligible" and "thoughtful" the community is
I have. Compare that discussion to any comment section on WSJ, NYT, WaPo, Politico, Fox News etc.