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So IBM buys Red Hat for $34B, of which $20B are borrowed monies. The debt is priced at 1.05 percentage points above Treasury yield rate [1] which would be somewhere around 3.5% which puts interest on bond debt at ~$700m every year.

Now consider that Red Hat had a net income of $433m. Even if they reach $500 this year, Big Blue will still be $200m short, every year.

At the moment, IBM is trading down at -0.5% on an otherwise slight green Nasdaq.

Just from these numbers we can conclude that IBM is seeing some pretty significant synergies in the purchase that the market isn't.

[1] https://www.barrons.com/articles/ibm-bond-sale-red-hat-51557...

> Just from these numbers we can conclude that IBM is seeing some pretty significant synergies in the purchase that the market isn't.

Or there was basically very little chance that the acquisition wouldn't go through, and since we have known about it for months, it is already priced in the current stock value of IBM, so today's trading would be mostly unrelated and not representative of what investors think about the purchase.

Let's not confuse accounting earnings with cash flows. Red Hat is generating a decent amount of cash ~1B in cash from operations (difference from 433M mostly due to stock based comp and deferred revenue, common for software companies).

I didn't look into the details of the deal but IIRC $34B is the enterprise value, so it probably includes a refinancing of Red Hat's debt. RH had ~20M in interest last year, so you can take that off of the 700M.

So now we're talking about 680M in marginal interest expense on a firm with ~950M in pre-transaction free cash flow to equity. Not to mention RH's 65% top line growth in 2018, we'll see if that happens again. This transaction could be cash flow positive right off the bat.

Also Red Hat is operating at an ~18% ebitda margin (did not go looking for add backs), I'm assuming IBM can get that up.

Of course, it's easy to imagine IBM just torching all of Red Hat's top line... can't rule that out.

Red Hat net income is growing pretty consistently though [0].

With this price for debt, IBM could be cash-flow positive on this deal within a couple of years even without any big synergy, just by the simple effect of cumulated growth on (net) income.

[0] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/RHT/red-hat/net-in...

The acquisition was most likely already priced in, but I think the synergy IBM is hoping for is that they are really really good at selling to the enterprise. They have one of the most successful enterprise technology sales teams in the world. I suspect that just making RedHat's enterprise sales more efficient will be enough to boost sales.
Red Hat is an incredibly valuable property that didn't sell aggressively enough.

Just by pushing on it's customer base, IBM will make alot of money on Red Hat, both with new business and blowing up legacy junk at IBM.

I like your analysis.

One thing that may be missing is how much money flows between them.

Free cash flow may be the more important metric for this purpose. I believe it is closer to $1B/year and presumably growing?
But IBM bought RH only because they believed that the company has growth ahead. If it grows a little more than 1% a year (which should be easy) that will be enough to break even. I think that was a smart move by IBM.
You need to add back income taxes of about $80M, so they are only $120M short. Interest expense is pre-tax.
Red Hat control and discretion and non-revenue generating properties now belong to IBM.

The purchase multiple is pretty crazy, and I like that I can point to a multiple that high when suitors want to buy into my own tech companies.

But for IBM this is a net win. Paying all that interest is basically a rounding error and means they barely spent any money for decades if they so choose.

That assumes zero growth, I think ibm obviously expects revenues and income to grow from red hat over time which would justify the purchase price. Whether or not that's warranted it's a different story, but the entirely of the price justification is probably not synergies - the cloud sector is growing pretty fast in general
I think that RedHat itself and the investments in CoreOS and other tech used in OpenStack is a pretty big thing for tethering in IBM. I think it's a better fit than, for contrast, Oracle. I do hope that the RH of old and some of the other bits remain Open Source friendly.
>Now consider that Red Hat had a net income of $433m.

I wonder how much of that is from IBM anyway..

Debt is reduced when inflation goes up. Perhaps they are predicting inflation?
I don't doubt the committment of RH to Open source, but looking at IBMs rather chequered history with regards to how they look to minimize costs, there must be some concern that next time there's a bad set of results, executive management will be looking for cost savings.

There are plenty of examples https://www.thelayoff.com/international-business-machines

specific example related to RH https://www.thelayoff.com/t/ZJ4vNfo

TBH I hope I'm wrong and that IBM corporate leaves RH alone long term, but that's not the general trend with acquisitions...

As the very good comment above points out, IBM will need to cut costs very significantly regardless, as they've paid so much the interest on the debt is more than Red Hat makes.
IBM is all in on the multi cloud story since they missed the cloud memo, and RH openshift is their key to allowing customers to lift and shift from AWS to Azure to GCP etc.

Plus it's pretty clear they know how to do layoffs and that knowledge may be applied to RH soon to boost profitability.

So more an IP acquisition and IBM sure does know from decades of experience to recognise some company that fills a gap that has usurped their own offerings and acquired it.

You may well be right, indeed that was along the lines of my initial thought about this and would explain the size and scale of investment. Then if RH fails as they would currently to keep up those interest payments, then accountants can just rub their hands and use that debt to offset profits down the line.

Time will tell, certainly IBM has the kit and for years had its own dark fiber internet backbone globally, so have been well placed for years to capture the cloud market, yet failed to move on. Which for a company that saw a shift towards service offerings, was probably a big source of embarrassment internally at some levels.

Anyone with a neck beard better shave it, anyone with grey hairs better get a dye-job, Botox for anyone with wrinkles otherwise IBM will have them out by there ear quick.
I really hope IBM can keep their fingers out of Red Hat, if not, it does not matter how many promises they make, they will run it into the ground. If they actually manage to keep away, and let their cloud business grow without interference; they actually have a chance to grab a big piece of the cloud business.
You don't spend $34B to not interfere.
Q: What do you get when you merge IBM and RedHat?

A: IBM.

IBM basically has control of all of Linux now. They've gotta love that sweet, sweet strategic leverage over the entire Web and cloud ecosystem.
There is a lot of truth to this. Since Fedora is the upstream for Red Hat, and IBM historically kill off anything not making a profit, how long before this happens? I wonder if they'll split the two?

Red Hat does "control" a disproportionate amount of Linux development. Everything is also now basically dependent on systemd.

I'm seeing more and more IT guys I know move over to Free/OpenBSD because they don't like the direction Linux is taking. While Linux is only a kernel, the entire userland is basically dependent on systemd.

Linux has become what it hated in Windows. A massive, bloated mess. I've always preferred BSD on the server and something else on the desktop (hurry up, Haiku!). I still wish BeOS would have gotten more traction beyond the BeBox.

Methinks the move towards FreeBSD--and it's happening in quite a few circles, will continue, especially if IBM get heavy handed with Fedora/Red Hat. I'm not worried, per se, but I am concerned, for the aforementioned reasons.

IBM also put in billions of dollars into Linux. They (along with many many others) are part of the reason Linux became commercially successful.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB976650399196757666

This is a great move for both companies. The doom and gloom in this thread is depressing.

RedHat gets access to IBMs massive sales machine and IBM picks up a number of key technologies. Win-win.

IBM now has control over systemd, and as other users here point out, also pulseaudio, dbus, gnome, wayland, and a significant share of kernel.

IMHO this is a good time for the Debian project to reconsider the decision to rely on systemd. If you also think so, consider letting them know.

Feel sad, I know it's just the way things go in big business, but watching a prime example of a fiscally successful company built on open source who has committed so many resources to kernel development and making the Linux community better get bought by a beached whale like IBM just shakes me.
Does this acquisition open up the market for a Linux company to move into the Linux enterprise space?

Maybe Ubuntu could pivot into this space.

Share price was $187.71 prior to the announcement. As posted in the article - $190/share agreed purchase.
One can only hope IBM does not mismanage Red Hat. They will certainly twist workflow for their benefit. Owners will probably get a well deserved windfall.
Here's the official announcement from Red Hat Developer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20391504
Hopefully this helps validate the red hat model to spur more investment into the space and create a new crop of competitors to fill the void after IBM ruins red hat.
i'm just a lurker and i have a lot of respects for this community but why some of you acting like somehow RedHat is not going to make money anymore after IBM bought them.

RedHat already make billion doing what they do now. Why would that change? IBM is basically a consulting company and adding RedHat is more than a perfect match since RedHat main business is selling supports.

this thread just wow.

What does this mean for centOS?
It would be curious to see how Red Hat OpenShift works with parallel to IBM Cloud Private. Both offer same functionality to the customer and IBM invested so much amount revenue and time into IBM Cloud Private, so would they co-exist or merge into one offering is something worth a watch.

Openshift - https://www.openshift.com/

IBM Cloud Private - https://www.ibm.com/cloud/private

At least 80% of ALL acquisitions destroy value. IBM has overpaid just like the vast majority of M&As.
Is Red Hat's strategy multi-cloud or hybrid cloud? In other words is it easy enough to run your RH cloud-applications at the same time on all of AWS, Azure and GoogleCloud?

Or are they "hybrid" in the sense that you can run your apps both on-premises AND a CHOICE of Azure, AWS etc. ?

The title looks wrong.
Great for Open Source?
I think it may have been RHAT's plan all along to get bought by IBM.
Elastic is the next

Disclaimer: I own a bunch of Elastic stock