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by vslira·6y ago·view on hn ↗
> This article is just more propaganda in the evolving war of words between SV and journalism.

There's no war between SV and journalism, theres a feud between technologically and business savvy content companies and decaying content companies. Op-eds, moral posturing and long forms are not journalism. Journalism is a truthful representation of facts with analysis added for context to inform the readers, which the NYT and many other big names haven't delivered in decades.

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Along with the rest of HN, you have no idea what journalism is.

When has journalism ever stuck to “facts”?

When has the “news” and “history” been more than short stories and opinion?

Hint: Never

Read: A History of News by Mitchell Stephens https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news

Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism

The role of press is not to be “right” or even factual.

The role of the press is dissent and debate.

The sooner you realize this, you’ll have a deeper appreciation for even those outlets you disagree with.

Read: RT, Al-Jazeera, Fox News, Guardian, WaPo, NYT, NYPost, WaTimes, National Review, New Yorker, Vice

I understand where you're coming from, and while I do understand the value of institutionalized "debating and dissenting" parties (I even believe political parties in a democracy should have declared mouthpieces), there's absolutely no way one can say with a straight face that that is the role mainstream media (and by mainstream I include Al-Jazeera and other "non-allied" traditional-style newspapers) paints itself as having. The term "Newspaper of record" doesn't scream "One voice between many".
The role of the press is dissent and debate.

Even if we take your rather controversial definition for granted, the press suck at dissent and debate as well.