> I'd assume that those deaths couldn't have been lockdown deaths since, you know, no lockdown yet.
I'm confused. Lockdown happened first, and the plateau of deaths happened second.
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You're starting to get it. People were dying, in increasing numbers, before lockdowns. During lockdowns, the numbers of deaths went down.
So how could anyone, in good faith, argue that lockdown death numbers are somehow similar to Covid-19 death numbers?
Deaths were low, then we locked down, then deaths were high. You're saying that's evidence that lockdowns can't possibly be contributing to deaths?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25079899
You don't have the data. And these things are already quantified and tracked. And no, it doesn't work like you say.
Anyway, have a great day and believe what you want to believe :-)
Please, no snide condescension.
I haven't seen anyone here, and certainly not josephcbible, make absurdly absolute claims that Covid hasn't killed _anyone_. I'm sure Covid has been a factor in the deaths of many people.
Deaths, as reported, peaked in the spring. Epidemiologists have a name for an entirely mainstream explanation of what happened. They call it a "harvesting effect." I agree that the name is unsavory. It refers to a disease quickly culling the weak in a population.
The majority of the excess mortality has accumulated since spring, _after_ the country went into forced lockdown. There is no reason to default to the belief, as you seem to be doing, that Covid has continued killing masses and masses of people. Certainly not compared to the much more salient explanatory force of the massive, nationwide lockdowns.
These comments deserve snide condescension. They're utterly detached from reality, or even better, they're purely cynical ("I'm not going to die, so the hell with people that will die").
Go see these things:
https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54/videos
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh6HwN0gbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh6HwN0gbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAB43K2gtOk
Your comment is not backed by anything, there are statistics for types of deaths and there is almost 0 (ZERO!) support for lockdowns causing this many deaths.
How do you think you're smarter than all the world's governments, combined? Are you a qualified scientist or just Random Joe on the internet? If you're the latter, you might want to re-think your viewpoint.
PS: I'm definitely waiting for one of these moments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079, but it's unlikely :-)
PPS: I'm not going to reply to these threads anymore, as people who are replying to them are either cynical or emotional or both. You just don't have the numbers to back up your claims.