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by cable2600·5y ago·view on hn ↗
Wars over, the ultra-left won via social network and Internet. They will ban more stuff. You ever heard of good people banning books and banning words? It is mostly dictators doing that.
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Legitimate question for liberals of the freedom-and-mild-socialism variety: what do you think about this? Do you find that the current leftists in control of government and media are liberal like you?
> You ever heard of good people banning books and banning words?

A majority of developed democracies have laws that restrict hate speech, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, India, South Africa, Sweden, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.

That said, I disagree with what eBay is doing.

But the ever-present question is "who defines hate speech?" Most people's definition of the term seems to be "speech that I hate."

This won't end well.

The point I made isn't that we should ban hate speech; it's that looking at which countries/companies ban hate speech is a bad litmus test for determining which countries/companies are bad. The parent comment asked if we "ever heard of good people banning books and banning words?". Yes, I have. The majority of democracies have done so. The U.S. is in the minority. Lack of hate speech laws doesn't correlate with any of the major freedom indices or human rights indices.

As a separate point, Canada's hate speech laws have been working quite well. They're used rarely, and only in extreme cases, like a case where a promoter of the Rwandan genocide wanted to immigrate to Canada. Judges understand that "speech I hate" isn't the legal standard for hate speech.

> Judges understand that "speech I hate" isn't the legal standard for hate speech.

They do for now. But if you'd been paying attention lately, you'd know that the dominant ideology among our elite universities and a growing number of our institutions is no longer liberalism, under which free speech is valued. Liberalism has been replaced in the univeristy by critical theory, and its offshoots like critical race theory, under which it is absolutely 100% taught that hate speech is precisely equivalent to "speech I hate", or more accurately, speech the left hates. Argue back and you'll probably get sent that meme about Popper's paradox of tolerance, but it's actually based in the Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse's theory of "repressive tolerance", which basically states that far-left radicalism should be tolerated and nothing else.

Critical race theory (which could best be summarised as "anti-scholarship racism masquerading as anti-racist scholarship") was born in law schools and is now being taught as unquestioned fact throughout the education system, to children at an increasingly young age (which is the whole point of cancelling Dr. Seuss - so they can shoehorn in pro-CRT books to children instead.) Lest you think I'm being paranoid, here's none other than the American Bar Assocation propping up CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_r...

Where do you think the next generation of judges is going to come from? Don't say you weren't warned.