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by BoxOfRain·5y ago·view on hn ↗
I think there's a difference between an incel and someone who's simply lacking success in relationships. For a start thanks to coronavirus and lockdowns there's a lot of otherwise totally well-adjusted people who would be put unfairly into that category, and secondly I'd categorise incels as people who specifically make their lack of romantic success part of their emotional identity. This is unsurprisingly a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy as people who do that tend to have pretty insufferable personalities as a result. Instead of working to improve their attractiveness they tend to fall into this nihilistic belief system where all the blame is placed on external factors (usually women) and there's nothing they can do personally to improve their lot in life.

Everyone has dry spells, sometimes even quite extended ones. That's perfectly normal until you start adopting this as part of your personality and taking this frustration out on the world around you. Incels who self-identify as such often have a somewhat organised and deeply revolting ideology too, whereas "people who've not got laid in a while" is a set that nearly everyone has been part of at one point or another so isn't a marker of anything specific.

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> Everyone has dry spells, sometimes even quite extended ones. That's perfectly normal until you start adopting this as part of your personality and taking this frustration out on the world around you.

I think you underestimate the difference between having a dry spell and never having had any relationship ever when you're in your 20s, and the mental toll of the second situation. For sure it's a really bad idea to direct that frustration to other people, but the frustration is here and is very real. It's a bit like the difference between a period of low mood and depression. These people are not mentally healthy and need help.

I agree with all of what you wrote (I also had insufferable personality in my past, and I'm really sorry for that). It's just that most of these people are lost in their bad habits (video gaming / drinking / getting overweight). But they are usually not violent people (except of the few people with grave mental illnesses who started shooting other people because of their frustration, and people who were cheering for it...that was very sad).

BTW: for controlling weight, I'm right now using Dexcom G6 continuous blood glucose meter with a High setting of 9.0 mmol/L. It worked wonders for my parents (they are losing 1.5kg / month using it, both are 70 years old).