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by mbustamanter·4y ago·view on hn ↗
Surface of revolution is 'okay', 'solid' would mean its interior is completely filled. What you're describing is an active area of research in numerical analysis (adjacent to my own MS thesis topic, buckling of shells).

> That allows you to model varying wall thickness

That's mentioned in the first chapter of this book [0].

[0] The Finite Element Analysis of Shells – Fundamentals, Chapelle & Bathe

EDIT: I'm aware it is not a surface, but the notion is closer than that of a solid of revolution.

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> ‘solid' would mean its interior is completely filled.

I disagree. Mathematically, I wouldn’t know how to define a solid other than “anything with a volume”.

Certainly, a bell, when defined as a surface of revolution, doesn’t have an interior in a mathematical sense (https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Interior.html), does it?

There’s the convex closure, but that would, for the prototypical bell, add volume ‘outside’ the bell, too.

Also, I think varying wall thickness in bells for centuries was the only known way to tune them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_and_François_Hemony#Lif...:

“When struck, a bell produces a number of partials which, if imprecisely tuned, can create an unpleasant sound and which prevents it from harmonizing in accordance with other bells. To address this problem, the Hemony brothers gave their bells a particular profile and thickened it in certain places. The bells were then tuned by hollowing ridges from specific parts of the inner wall until the first few partials were acceptably in tune.”

(Aside: if you want your work to be used for centuries, becoming a professional bell caster seems a good bet)

> Surface of revolution is okay

But surface, by definition, has no concept of thickness, right? Surely there's a better term?

> 'solid' would mean its interior is completely filled.

I think the easiest way to define a bell would be the difference of two solids of revolution (front surface, back surface). What do you call the difference of two solids of revolution?

I meant it from a numerical analysis/differential geometry perspective (the reason I attached the reference). While not being strictly a surface, it is characterized by a mid-surface, and a thickness t. After having that information, for each point in the mid surface, a normal vector is drawn and scaled by a magnitude of t/2 in both directions of the normal, giving a thickness of t to the object that, I should have made it clearer, is not a surface but characterized by one.
I don't think that a bell is correctly modelled as a shell of variable thickness. The inner surface is smooth, and the outer surface has ridges. These ridges are apparently important to the timbre, thus it may be more appropriate to consider it as a solid volume of arbitrary shape. Of revolution, if you want to stay with a one-dimensional model.
Nah, the mouldings are entirely decorative. And bells are tuned by taking off material on a lathe at various positions on the inside of the bell.

https://funwithbells.com/nigel-taylor/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEJkMalMVv4

Wow, it's good to know, thanks for the clarification!