I'll add one other data race goof: atomic.Value. Look at the implementation. Unlike pretty much every other language I've seen, atomic.Value isn't really atomic, since the concrete type can't ever change after being set. This stems from fact that interfaces are two words rather than one, and they can't be (hardware) atomically set. To fix it, Go just documents "hey, don't do that", and then panics if you do.
Generics might save us from the simple, mechanical flaws. Expect to see `Locker<T>` and `Atomic<T>` types cropping up. And unbounded buffered thread-safe queues backing channels. Etc. I'm very, very much looking forward to it.
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I also really wonder where all these "go makes concurrency a first-class concept" claims come from, because I see it quite a few places, and I feel like it's making some very strong implied claims that absolutely do not exist.
Go has channels and select. That's neat. But on the other hand it has threads... but no thread handles. It has implicit capturing of closures. It has ambiguous value vs pointer semantics. It (style- and ergonomic-wise) encourages field references, which have no way to enforce mutexes or atomics. It has had crippled lock APIs that effectively force use of channels for... I don't know, philosophical reasons?
Go is abnormally dangerous when it comes to concurrency IMO. The race detector does an amazing job helping you discover it, but it's very easy to not use it or not take full advantage of it (i.e. non-parallel tests), and few run their production services with the race detector enabled. Because if they did, it would crash all the time, because there are an absurd amount of races in nearly all of the popular libraries (and in common use of those libraries, because concurrency is not a first-class citizen and you can't tell when it's happening / when it shouldn't happen).
> The sync/atomic package defines new atomic types Bool, Int32, Int64, Uint32, Uint64, Uintptr, and Pointer. These types hide the underlying values so that all accesses are forced to use the atomic APIs. Pointer also avoids the need to convert to unsafe.Pointer at call sites. Int64 and Uint64 are automatically aligned to 64-bit boundaries in structs and allocated data, even on 32-bit systems.
Go 1.19 is expected to release in August.
How does this mean it's non-atomic? As far as I know you can still never Load() a partial Store(). (Also, even if it was possible, this would never be a good idea...)
* Just don’t be an idiot. Worse is better.
1. Closures and concurrency really don't mix well. The loop variable capture in particular is very pernicious. There's an open issue to change this behavior in the language: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/20733.
2. Yep. I've seen this problem in our codebase. I've grown to just be very deliberate with data that needs to be shared. Put it all in a struct that's passed around by its pointer.
3. This issue is caught fairly easily by the race detector. Using a sync.Map or a lock around a map is pretty easy to communicate with other Go devs.
4. This should be documented better, but the convention around structs that should not be passed around by value is to embed a noCopy field inside. https://github.com/golang/go/issues/8005#issuecomment-190753... This will get caught by go vet, since it'll treat it like a Locker.
5 & 6. Go makes it pretty easy to do ad-hoc concurrency as you see fit. This makes it possible for people to just create channels, waitgroups, and goroutines willy-nilly. It's really important to design upfront how you're gonna do an operation concurrently, especially because there aren't many guardrails. I'd suggest that many newcomers stick with x/sync.ErrGroup (which forces you to use its Go method, and can now set a cap on the # of goroutines), and use a *sync.Mutex inside a struct in 99% of cases.
7. Didn't encounter this that often, but sharing a bunch of state between (sub)tests should already be a red flag. Either there's something global that you initialized at the very beginning (like opening a connection), or that state should be scoped and passed down to that individual test, so it can't really infect everything around it.
I run my Go development server with the -race flag as a default. If it affects performance I'll turn it off but that's very rare in practice. Unfortunately a lot of applications don't run tests against their HTTP endpoints (like only internal library stuff) which is bad bad bad, but the -race flag at least helps mitigate.
To anyone reading who cares:
1) Always run your tests with the -race flag!
2) Always write tests for your HTTP handling code too!
3) Run your dev server with -race for a week and see what happens.
This will hard crash your Go program and there is nothing you can do about it. You can't recover(). Go vet will not catch anything. The -race flag will!
package main
import "time"
func main() {
m := map[int]int{}
go poop(m)
go poop(m)
time.Sleep(5 * time.Second)
}
func poop(m map[int]int) {
for i := 0; i < 1e10; i++ {
m[i] = i
}
}which is… uhh ok maybe?
But go is really trying to keep backwards compatibility so they won’t just change this
I'm surprised by some of them. For example, go vet nominally catches misuses of mutexes, so it's surprising that even a few of those slipped through. I wonder if those situations are a bit more complicated than the example.
Obviously, the ideal outcome is that static analysis can help eliminate as many issues as possible, by restricting the language, discouraging bad patterns, or giving the programmer more tools to detect bugs. gVisor, for example, has a really interesting tool called checklocks:
https://github.com/google/gvisor/tree/master/tools/checklock...
While it definitely has some caveats, ideas like these should help Go programs achieve a greater degree of robustness. Obviously, this class of error would be effectively prevented by borrow checking, but I suppose if you want programming language tradeoffs more tilted towards robustness, Rust already has a lot of that covered.
Does anyone not want robustness of their language to cover their mistakes?
So now I'm hearing that Go, a garbage collected language, doesn't guarantee data race freedom? I guess it's garbage collected but not "managed" by a runtime or something?
Why go to all that effort to get off of C++ just to stop 30% short? These are C-like concurrency bugs, and you still have to use C-like "if not nil" error handling.
Why do people keep adopting this language? Where's the appeal?
> two or more threads in a single process access the same memory location concurrently, and at least one of the accesses is for writing.
Rust provides compile time protection against data races with the borrow checker. Go provides good but imperfect runtime detection of data races with the race detector. Like most things in engineering, either approach requires a trade off involving language complexity, safety, compile time speed, runtime speed, and tooling.
Java programs aren't guaranteed to be free of data race. Java spec guarantees that if that happens, there will be no undefined behavior (like in C++).
There're many aspects to consider when evaluating a tool. To me, Go has one of the best overall packages:
- std lib - tooling - performance - concurrency - relatively easy to get devs - reliable - mature
Also, Go has no substantial drawback. I personally consider an external runtime a drawback, for example.
I also use Rust personally. This discussion shows the value of Rust in terms of correctness. But for my professional projects Rust lacks the ecosystem guarantees that Go has with its great and useful standard lib. Looking at the Cargo dependencies of a mid size Rust web service is scary and reminds me of NPM. A large fraction of essential libs are maintained by a single person. Or unfortunately unmaintained. Rust with Go's std lib would be truly great.
Garbage collectors solve double-free bugs and usually memory leaks due to cyclic references.
That said, people ragging on rust pushing that trope are basically just making stuff up to hate on it. Anyone who looks into the language and views programming languages as tools and understands these issues gets why someone might use rust.
But yea, it's ironic... Especially seeing how many times I've seen smart colleagues get go concurrency wrong.
A side topic: this is really not something to be proud of. There used to be more people than quantity of work in Uber and engineers fought for credits by building bogus decomposed services, and the sheer number of services seems indicate it's still so.
I’d also be curious if the 50m lines of code included generated code.
We’ve started to use it (temporal) a bit for general automations, and it’s pretty great. Monorepo with a lot of different activities (“microservices”) makes sense.
The activites are orchestrated in workflows (much like DDD “sagas”) and scheduled via temporal. This gives awesome introspection and observability.
"The key point here is our programmers... They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language... So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand"
https://go.dev/doc/articles/race_detector
Edit: at the _end_ of the post, they mention that this is the second of two blog posts talking about this, and in the first post they explain that they caught these by deploying the default race detector and why they haven't been running it as part of CI (tl;dr it's slower and more resource-expensive and they had a large backlog).
https://eng.uber.com/dynamic-data-race-detection-in-go-code/
Here's a simple question that's stumped me for some time: if multiple go routines are popping values out of a channel, does the channel need a mutex? Why do the "fan-out, fan-in?" examples in the "Pipelines and Cancellation" post on the Go blog not require mutex locks? Link here: https://go.dev/blog/pipelines
Stuff like that, along with the ambiguity of intializing stuff by value vs using make, the memory semantics of some of the primitives (slices, channels, etc). None of it was like "of course". If something is a reference, I'd rather the language tell me it's a reference. Maybe I'm still too new to the language.
What the hell is that company doing?
Try to imagine an ERD or DFD of their day-to-day operations. 2,100 unique services…
This isn't open source, correct?
Uber has adopted Go (Golang for long)
(†famous last words, I know)
It's not just data races--it's also logical races, which are near-impossible to detect or prevent without something like transactional memory.
And if you feel that Erlang's lack of type safety is an issue, then Gleam has you covered.
By system do you mean a process or a tool that detects these?
Edit: oh I see it highlights red and underlines every keyword. I find that incredibly distracting, so much so I assumed their highlighter was broken, but also just realized they are screenshots.
How is that possible and what do they do???
https://medium.com/@scott_white/concurrency-in-go-is-not-mag...
tl;dr Go doesn't magically solve data races and blaming the language itself isn't well supported by the examples/data.
The "Slices" example is just nasty! Like, this is just damning for Go's promise of "_relatively_ easy and carefree concurrency".
Think about it for a second or two,
>> The reference to the slice was resized in the middle of an append operation from another async routine.
What exactly happens in these cases? How can I trust myself, as a fallible human being, to reason about such cases when I'm trying to efficiently roll up a list of results. :-/
Compared to every other remotely mainstream language, perhaps even C++, these are extremely subtle and sharp.. nigh, razor sharp edges. Yuck.
One big takeaway is this harsh realization: Golang guarantees are scant more than what is offered by pure, relatively naïve and unadulterated BASH shell programming. I still will use it, but with newfound fear.
As a multi-hundred-kloc-authoring-gopher: I love Go, and this article is killing me inside. Go appears extremely sloppy at the edges of the envelope and language boundaries, moreso than even I had ever realized prior to now.
Full-disclosure: I am disgusted by the company that is Uber, but I'm grateful to the talented folks who've cast a light on this cesspool region of Golang. Thank you!
p.s. inane aside: I never would've guessed that in 2022, Java would start looking more and more appealing in new ways. Until now I've been more or less "all-in" on Go for years.