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Oh, I disagree with you now, sorry. You're saying that there's a way that women are and a way that men are that isn't dictated by society, but dictates it, and any deviation is unnatural. I'm saying that women are restricted to certain manners of expression to conform to norms, so they sometimes behave in peculiar ways in order to express themselves yet not be punished. Your argument can be used to justify any form of prejudice that has ever existed, and doesn't rest on any evidence other than your own stereotypes.

You actually think that sick men deserve contempt. And that men and women who behave identically should inspire disgust. And you insist that other people are the ones who are trying to force people into norms. Very ugly.

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> You're saying that there's a way that women are and a way that men are that isn't dictated by society

Yes. Just like every other sexual species on this planet has a male and female nature that dictates varied behavior, so do we.

Give me an example of a species where that isn't the case?

> and any deviation is unnatural.

Any deviation is impossible. It's hard-coded. Yes, there might be a 0.1% of the population that doesn't comply, but those are mutations.

I strongly believe that even if 1% of the population is exhibiting a behavior, it is not a deviation. It is normal. At least, normal for that 1% group.

> Your argument can be used to justify any form of prejudice that has ever existed

No. See the above. Again, if it's defined by nature, then no deviation is possible. In other words, what you're witnessing is not deviation. It is nature. On the contrary, that specific idea can be used to stop repression.

> doesn't rest on any evidence other than your own stereotypes

It's an idea derived from simple logic. Not data or stereotypes. If you're seeing a large group of people exhibiting behavior, it is natural for them. Regardless of how wrong you may think their behavior is, there is nothing wrong with it. Trying to force them to behave a certain way is wrong.

> You actually think that sick men deserve contempt.

No. However, a sickly man will be perceived as weak by other men and that will elicit contempt. Which explains why FDR desperately tried to hide the fact that he had polio and was confined to a wheel chair ... there are many many other examples of this behavior.

> And that men and women who behave identically should inspire disgust.

Men and women don't behave identically. When they do, they are forced to either by social norms or through actual threat of force. And that's sick.

Again, please provide an example of a species where the male and female behave identically?

> And you insist that other people are the ones who are trying to force people into norms.

Every day. It happens around you constantly.

Men and women often behave identically, just as men and other men often behave identically. I'm a man and I don't feel contempt for sick men. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be having this conversation, I just misinterpreted your first comment. Go on defending the completely unthreatened by force right of women to watch The Bachelor.