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To be clear, Canna doesn't host any of the pirated music, they just post links to file sharing sites that do. So this case is about DNS resolving the address of a site that links to other sites that host pirated content.
By that logic, Quad9 should block Google, Facebook, Bing, reddit, twitter, and honestly every social media site because they link to download sites where pirated content is available.
The sites listed all pay US politicians, judges, and regulators for political favors and leniency, Canna does not.
I don't think the district court of Hamburg cares much about which US politicians these websites pay off.
It is important to read the article before commenting on it.
Quad9 is European and European courts have ruled against them in a similar case earlier.
Username checks out
Europe does something but America is to blame.
:eyeroll:
So Quad9 should block all Sony domains as they are infringing EU law and make licenced works in some countries accessible to some other where it isn't available through VP
> The DNS resolver stressed that it doesn’t condone piracy but believes that enforcing blocking measures through third-party intermediaries, that don’t host any content, is a step too far.
I agree, its like asking members of the public to become road traffic cops because they happen to be walking or driving on the road when an offence takes place, highly efficient by virtue of members of the public being present to witness said offence but it sets a dangerous precedence of people taking the law into their own hands.
What Sony wants (and everyone else) is the ability to protect our work and data. Thats the holy grail and there isnt really any way to do this at the moment apart from doing our own hardware, like a betamax player that could also play vhs.
Thanks Sony, I had no idea this site existed until now
Went to check out the site (Canna.to) and it wouldn't load. Then I wondered what Upstream DNS I was using on my pi-hole... sure enough, Quad9.
Then I went to load the site on my phone, and it tried to open 98 popups...
> ... it tried to open 98 popups...
You need to install the uBlock Origin extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... (and if you know some web development, the uMatrix extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/umatrix/ ). Best used with Firefox or Palemoon browser. I have it on my browser and saw zero pop-ups.
Their "unfiltered" DNS (9.9.9.10) still resolves the domain:
$ dig canna.to @9.9.9.9
[...]
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 52168
[...]
$ dig canna.to @9.9.9.10
[...]
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20506
[...]
;; ANSWER SECTION:
canna.to. 300 IN A 46.148.26.194
[...]
No popups on me on the desktop FF, but I have strict security enabled. No uBlock bullshit.
operator probably realized the traffic surge and decided to monetize tru ranking up ads
I tried to make use of a new site to know about but I can't even figure out why anyone would use this instead of just grabbing songs off of youtube with youtube-dl or Newpipe. This feels like music piracy circa right before Napster.
Just saw "Est 1999" on the top of the page. Guess they get a pass for old site design.
Quintessential Streisand Effect.
I assume Sony was just trying to hit this site with the Slashdot effect by taking this action as an indirect DDOS.
Thanks, I've now joined their Telegram channel.
Always nice to have a resource for current music.
Thank you again Sony.
Given how much music is available via streaming services, for little money (or none if you can deal with adverts) i'd have thought the impact of a pirate music site would be very limited.
I wonder what the impact of this site is on Sony, or whether what is really going on is some sort of personal vendetta, as legal action is usually a sign that things have got personal.
Even without impact on them I believe there is still value in non-streaming.
I've discovered multiple CDs disappearing from Spotify. The FLACs that are sitting on my NAS aren't subject to some finite licensing deal.
Yep, exactly. I really hate this world we've built, where everything is rented. I'm just going to get everything from Bandcamp from now on.
> I wonder what the impact of this site is on Sony
There is zero impact for Sony Music [0]
> whether what is really going on is some sort of personal vendetta
No, they just want what there would be no way to obtain music except going through Sony Music.
Yet, there are people who defends them *shrug* [1]
[0] https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/04/28/sony-music-earni...
Some streaming services have a problem with incomplete albums.
Apple Music, for example, sometimes has one track visible while the others are grayed out due to regional licensing issues. Quite frustrating.
There’s plenty of content that Apple Music is missing. Just yesterday I wanted to listen to an album they don’t have, but I do on my personal server.
Streaming isn’t a perfect alternative to ownership (or piracy, in this case).
They might be trying to set precedence in law. Next time, it gets harder for other DNS providers (Google, CloudFlare, but also ISPs) to deny such blocks.
Legal departments at big orgs like this tend to just throw everything at the wall until something sticks, as a matter of course
Tangentially related, I hate pirate websites that don't make any effort and don't include any samples of music they pirate. At least Israbox usually has links to album preview or a YT sample so you can decide whether it's worth downloading. I found that in this way you can discover interesting artists outside of your bubble (YT's algorithm used to work well in the past for this but now it's crap) and then buy their recordings.
> At least Israbox usually has links to album preview or a YT sample so you can decide whether it's worth downloading
This will turn a lot of people off. The sound quality on YT is absymal.
I like Quad9 because it has ECS support, so unlike CF/Google, I don't get sent to some wild endpoint half way across the world.
But I think it is time to move on.
They filed an appeal and are doing only the minimum required to stay out of prison. I don't think you'll find a much more liberal DNS service.
It would be nice if there was a large DNS service that was outside of US jurisdiction though.
You'll have to find an endpoint halfway across the world to find a dns within a laissez-faire jurisdiction
Google DNS supports ECS https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/ecs
> ECS ... CF
It seems CEO/Founder of CF says that they do not support ECS[0].
Yes, that is why the section you're arguging with starts "because" and ends "unlike"
I really hope their appeal succeeds as otherwise we're going to get a lot of copyright holders getting control over DNS services.
Seems to still resolve @9.9.9.10
https://www.quad9.net/service/service-addresses-and-features...
All this for an Evanescence album - does anyone even remember that band exists...?
I mostly remember that one specific album cover that everyone seemed to use as their AIM and MSN Messenger profile photo back in the day.
The intolerance paradox enters the chat.
Is it too radical to suggest that all DNS providers block all of a company's websites whenever they lobby for things like this? Kind of like a blacklist of free speech offenders.
The DNS records for that domain are hijacked on two German ISPs' resolvers I tested, yikes. Google and Cloudflare resolvers resolve it just fine however.
canna.to. 0 IN CNAME notice.cuii.info.
notice.cuii.info. 34953 IN A 167.233.14.14Wait until Sony finds out about Youtube.
Most times these companies have automatic copyright triggers on YouTube and YouTube will most of the time keep the video up, not punish the uploader, but move a portion of the proceeds to the company as payment of use. It’s happened to me a number of times when I use to make gameplay videos with non licensed music.
Sony gets a whole lot more than $10k from youtube