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by toddmorey·2y ago·view on hn ↗
While low unemployment is good, I worry about the quality of employment.

For the San Antonio area, 46% of households — more than 240,000 households — can't afford the essentials such as housing, child care, food, transportation, health care and a basic smartphone plan.

This data from ALICE, which stands for Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. It's a stubborn number that hasn't budged in over a decade. About half the city really struggles to make ends meet.

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Great points and anyone who has lived or pasted through Texas knows the reality here. BS article.
For reference, the ALICE threshold or a family of four is about $68K in San Antonio: https://www.uwsatx.org/alice/

If you go by the federal poverty rate, the rate is 14%, which is about average for the US.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard raising a family on $68K here. I think it would be challenging, especially factoring in childcare, but the ALICE budget gives you $819/month for transportation. This seems excessive given you can get a $10k used car for about $228/month (I think). The pickings aren't amazing at that level, but I regularly drive a car that would currently be valued around $6-8k. It's safe and reliable. I haven't broken down other parts of the budget.

Statewide, the percent above ALICE threshold matches exactly that of California, at 57%, although there are slightly more in poverty (lower threshold than ALICE) in Texas: https://www.unitedforalice.org/national-overview

Is there data on what % of those are single earner households?

> This seems excessive given you can get a $10k used car for about $228/month (I think).

Does the $228/month number include maintenance + fuel or is it just financing/depreciation?

No, and that's a fair criticism. At $68K/year I would think you'd have to consider going down to 1 car for the family if feasible, or do that for several years until car 1 is paid off.

The main point I wanted to bring up with my comment was that San Antonio is just about average nationally wealth-wise, but the original comment I was replying to made it seem like half the population was living in very dire straits.

What would happen if the fed had a mandate around reducing ALICE instead of unemployment
It seems kind of weird to just bring up a random place in Texas. The poverty rate in Huron California is over 40%. I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove though.

It seems better to bring up the state as a whole. 12.2% of Californians are living in poverty and 14% of Texans are.

If a few cities are having issues it seems like there are issues in those cities, not necessarily the state. That is not to say the state can't do anything to help, but if other cities are not experiencing those same issues then it seems like it is a different issue going on.

A random place in Texas? San Antonio is a large city with a population of 1.4 million. Huron, for comparison has a population of 6 _thousand_
San Antonio was chosen because it has the highest poverty level out of the largest cities in Texas. Why not choose the largest city in Texas? It was chosen specifically to make look Texas look bad which is why I suggested looking at the entire state.
San Antonio was chosen because the article is from the San Antonio Express News and talks specifically about the San Antonio job market.
So, it's bad in both of the cities? I read the above comment as bringing awareness to the fact that not all "% is employed" stats is good. It might be super-privileged and entitled position of mine, but at this day and age, considering multiple-job or "barely making ends to meet" employments as a "win" is very disingenuous. I understand the general hardships (family history and etc.), just very weird when we think how we're doing "better" when it's very far from stressless life for North American standards. It is kinda hard to put it into words for some reason, just feels off.
My point was specifically pointing to the worst out of the large cities doesn't really prove a point about a state. It is possible that San Antonio is just doing something wrong on a city level and it has nothing to do with Texas. You need to look at a larger picture to figure out if Texas is doing something wrong. Huron having high poverty doesn't show California is doing something wrong any more than San Antonio shows Texas is doing something wrong.

Texas does have higher poverty as a whole than California so there is a possibility that Texas is doing something wrong. All I am saying is selectively choosing a city to prove a point doesn't actually prove the point about the whole state.

The causes of poverty in urban areas and in very small rural towns are very very different.
And? Choosing the worst case city doesn't prove the point about an entire state. Like I said, Texas as a state does have higher poverty than California so it quite possibly has an issue. I just don't think you can pick the worst city and extrapolate the entire state from that.
Poverty can be an indicator of people stranded in an environment where they cannot afford to move away to one with jobs, or it can be an indication of people attracted to an environment where they can improve their lives at a lower cost of living.

In a large enough geography there can of course be both dynamics at play.

If a place's population increased and the impoverished population shot up, then, at first, it would give me pause that perhaps people were getting stuck there. It wouldn't be the first time that brain drain happened in advance of urban retooling and job loss. Witness the great brain drain from the rural US into inner city manufacturing neighborhoods while factory jobs were already beginning to leave those city centers. The successful cities of England's North endured something similar at the same postwar moment in their much longer history.

That Texas keeps showing this behavior of parallel growth in popularity and poverty for decades on end, though, makes much more explanatory the latter idea -- that e.g. metropolitan San Antonio is popular and a ladder for the underdogs of both the American economy and several Central American ones. California had a very similar and bipartisan growth dynamic in the 1910s-1980s before some Californians started pulling up the ladder behind them. Would be interesting to see a trajectory of housing costs near job growth in that state over time and whether land offers Texas any real buffer against such a trajectory.