Death liquids come in many carbohydrate-based offerings and forums. They all suck, we're talking about alcohol right now. We can't shut down everything at once or snap fingers and change people'seating habits willy-nilly, can we? Should we even try if we can't do it perfectly, immediately, and seamlessly?
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I don't believe we should shut down any of these places. In moderation they are all fine. Advocating for abstinence is a proven failed strategy and requires fairly authoritarian methods to make work.
Educating people is the only moral approach, but these days anyones opinion is as valid as expert knowledge so that is out the window.
I'm not advocating for abstinence, I'm advocating for people relocating to whats open if they want to do pub stuff. I'm simply stating my conviction that the fewer places (nothing about 0 or overly-prohibitive), the generally better off society is as long as there is help finding a new income and stabillity and a reasonable offramp for those affected in terms of employment since its unthinkable to simply provide an income for people so we can all be ok on that front.
I did share my personal take on what I want and don't want going forward beacause of where I was with it in my life and where I'm going now that I am not weighed down and mutated by it any further.
There's zero coercion. If people want to try to grt off, I would say talk to your dr and request nalfamene so you can still drink what you like but in a context that starts to remove the psychological and physical hooks it digs into anyone who loses the plot with it. If you need the anxiety help, request baclofen as an adjuvant and work your way down at whatever pace if at all that works for you
Nalfamene or naltrexone or whatever opidoid antagonists are available thru NHS is a successfull and affirming approach that makesit simple and likely to be successfull with attenuating issues with addiction and use of alcohol. I get I'm n=1 but what's the harm in exploring your options?
If I loved someone and I was invested/wanted them to heal and organically redefine their relationship with alc, I would help them with this even if I had to take them to the Dr myself to ensure they walked out with what they need and there was no ambiguity about how they are to honor the regiment that is available for their healing.
If I don't care for someone, I remain silent and return my efforts to address my own imperfections and pain so everyone is better of if I meet them or not