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by EwanG·2y ago·view on hn ↗
I'm just waiting for the tool or toolchain where I can take a manga that I like that doesn't have an anime, and get a season or two out to watch when I feel like it rather than wait for it to get an official release.

Bonus points if I can let the tool ingest season 1 or an OVA of said material where a season 2 is never going to come (looking at you "No Game, No Life")

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> Bonus points if I can let the tool ingest season 1 or an OVA of said material where a season 2 is never going to come (looking at you "No Game, No Life")

At long last, _Firefly_ Season 2 is within our grasp!

To be honest, all the pieces are there to create a pipeline. There's still a lot of work on the human side for shot composition, camera movement, etc., but the pieces all exist right now to make this a reality.
So, since I may not be familiar with everything out there right now, what pieces do you have in mind that could possibly cover what is needed? About to retire and this sounds like a project worth putting some time into :-)
"Hey Bing, can you make me a live action version of the Scouring of the Shire as if it were part of the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies?".
This is so bleak. I hope artists get enough legal protection in the future to stop ghouls from doing this to their work.
I hope not. I want AI to hammer in the final nails into the coffin of intellectual property so we can finally bury it. I want this technology to be so ubiquitous it cannot be controlled. I want them to give up on controlling things with such nonsense "legal protections", society should change permanently instead.
In the absence of a legal framework, I hope enough people recognize that scooping someone else's work into some kind of grotesque anime sausage machine is super shitty to do without the input of the author, and the people doing it get ruthlessly mocked. Most anime production involves the input of and express permission from the author.

Imagine someone doing this to show us "their" ending of berserk, for example. Just utterly disrespectful to Miura's legacy. The man dedicated his life to his art and you reinterpreted it like an ass hole because you lack patience and demand more content at the expense of all artistic agency. Complete trash.

>disrespectful to Miura's legacy

You mean highest form of flattery? Literally participating and reflecting, trying to recreate and reinterpret is how humans integrate, show acceptance, make it part of themselves and culture. His art is not sacred, nor is it absolutely original, nor is it made in isolation from the world. Miura's legacy is sharing his reinterpretation of whatever. For it to exist there must be less elitist underground bunkers full of sacred IP which we unable to think about, discuss and share our interpretations of.

Fair use and transforming other people's work is completely accepted in the creative industry.

But, of course, when techies do the same thing that creatives have done for decades (IE, make transformative fan art), well now thats not fair apparently.

> you reinterpreted it

Reinterpretations, fan art, and "what if" scenarios are completely common in creative industries. People build whole careers on transforming others work.

> someone else's work

Just a number really. That's all intellectual work is: a number. All numbers already exist, humans just discover them.

I just can't take it seriously, this notion that intellectual work is somehow "special" and deserving of "protections". To me it's as delusional as trying to own numbers.

> input of the author

Why do you need somebody's permission to do math with numbers? Makes no sense whatsoever.

> Imagine someone doing this to show us "their" ending of berserk

No need to imagine it when fanfiction.net exists. AI will make it even easier.

To play devil's advocate:

The idea being that if we prevent people from doing specific math on specific numbers, the more proficient number-discoverers will have greater incentive to discover more of those pleasing numbers, and we all benefit.

... Which to me sounds wishful, given the reality of the system as implemented today.

Perhaps someone can help me understand the appeals to creative sanctity. Does making my own fan fiction cheapen the original work? Why is it immoral to change a fiction to suit my own preferences, as long as original authorship is not implied? I mod my single player video games all the time to enjoy them more. I have no qualms about patching out a tech tree if the grinding isn't too my taste, is this an affront? How about covering my favorite song? Making a custom cover for a special book in my collection? Skipping the scariest part of a horror movie? Singing a new jazz song imitating Armstrong's style? Help me understand.

> if we prevent

That's a pretty big if. Think about what must happen for such violations to be prevented. You need computers that only execute legal software. It's literally the end of computing as we know it, the end of everything the word "hacker" ever stood for.

Creators are good but I certainly don't support protecting them at all costs. Certainly not at the cost of computing freedom. I love computers and I hate to see them limited to enable obsolete business models.

This is so reductionist, it's not even funny.

Imagine debugging your own code (your code being your intellectual work) and this guy barges into your room and says "Why are you wasting your time? Why didn't you just pick a better 'number'?"

Listen, I'm on your side of the argument and this example makes no sense at all.
It's got some sense to it. It's like, there are "objectively right" numbers, so why commit yourself to any form of craft if a computer can just find better numbers?

There's a reason you can't copyright songs constructed through combinatorial algorithms. Human authorship plays a role in creative pursuit, by law.

Yeah, if you follow this logic... then humans are just a bunch of molecules. Mostly water. Some protein and fat.

Why do humans have any right at all? I can't take this seriously. Molecules don't have rights.

Let's not compare the copying of bits to the killing of human beings.
Why not? Humans are, after all, just large quantum state vectors, numbers like any other.
> Why do you need somebody's permission to do math with numbers? Makes no sense whatsoever.

It's part of a very sensible legal framework to incentivize the creation and publication of hard-to-find numbers that you value very much.

I hate intellectual property as much as the next guy, but it's not nonsense.

> Just a number really. That's all intellectual work is: a number.

You saw that everything could be encoded in a number, and instead of expanding your view of what a number could be, it diminished your view of everything else. That's depressing.

> It's part of a very sensible legal framework to incentivize the creation and publication of hard-to-find numbers that you value very much.

I disagree about "sensible".

It's the 21st century, the age of ubiquitous globally networked computers. The copying, moving and transmission of numbers is literally a fundamental operation of these machines.

The tyranny required to maintain this "sensible" numeric ownership system grows every year. The world changing potential of computers is squandered because of this "sensible" system. Look at how much technology has been held back by the copyright industry. Are LLMs going to be yet another victim? I'm sick of it. Society needs to find another way to incentivize creation.

> That's depressing.

Absolutely. This state of affairs depresses me very much. To maintain this "sensible" system, the computer freedom we enjoy today must be destroyed. It's the antithesis of everything the word "hacker" means.

Just wanted to chip in saying that I completely agree with you.

Intellectual property is an idea from last century or older. It doesn't have a place in this new century.

Those "sensible" systems will have to change. Instead of incentivising people to find high value numbers by this artificial scarcity, number searchers will have to find other ways to get paid. That's all.

People that pick up the trash in public parks don't get paid over and over for the beautiful work they did. They have to do it again and again as most of us, once the product of our time is out.

I'm thinking of a number, but I'm definitely not going to tell you it now. It's all mine.
That's all right. Secrecy is the only possible way to maintain control over information. I don't publish everything I create either.

Intellectual property is all about controlling public information. They deliberately publish it out there and then expect to control its flow and what it's used for. Makes no sense.

This "just math" argument is so reductionist and unhelpful.
And yet it's true. Literally cannot be refuted. It's a fact that all information is a number.
Bruh. I'm with you on IP being useless, but insisting on something being a "fact" is meaningless.

It's a fact that everything can be represented in binary. You can identify every knowable concept as either "cat" or "not cat". That's a fact.

Now... who cares? What does that being a fact mean? It means nothing. It's not useful. It doesn't prove a point any more than what you're saying does. All information is a number, that's a fact. Okay. Now... so WHAT?

The charge here is that some public information deserves protection. You disagree with that but, again, who cares? Prove why your opinion on that is relevant to any other human being, or engage with your irrelevance all by yourself. On the "protect public info" side, we can say that things like your social security number needs to be necessarily public, but we need to be able to stop people from using it however they want. There are indexing reasons for that. There are medical reasons for that. There are (yes, far too many) financial reasons for that.

And if you don't like that example, let's try one more directly applicable with a creative example: trade marks are public info. But if we let every person do whatever they wanted with a trade mark, they lose the real, tangible value that they provide (iconography is foundational to how human brains efficiently interpret information).

So pick you poison, but then engage with the actual poison; don't just wink behind smug tautologies. Tell us how, in your view, we can have a framework that provides the values that we get from IP, when we don't protect IP, as a concept. Because, buddy, I've been longing for, and working towards, that kind of framework since I figured out how pathetically inept IP is at actually doing what it does.

You sound like a peach.

I’d love to know if you’ve actually ever created something novel that was good. Not code. Not math. Something uniquely original with no foundational basis.

Why not code? Why exclude that?

If you want to see the stuff I've created, the links to my website and GitHub is in my profile. It's all free and open source software. I'm not a fan of advertising either so I try very hard not to post my stuff here unless it's directly relevant to the discussion. I don't know about "good", that's for others to judge.

The idea that everything is just numbers is cynical, delusional, and dehumanizing. You should think more seriously about this before proclaiming everything is "just math". Math is just an approximation humans made up to explain things. It's very good at that but it is provably flawed.

I think it's extremely disrespectful to make a TV show out of a work of fiction without the permission of the author. That author would be well within their rights to sue you.

> The idea that everything is just numbers is cynical, delusional, and dehumanizing.

Delusion is thinking you can own numbers.

What does it matter what these silly laws say? They're borderline unenforceable anyway. Imaginary ownership rules are constantly violated world wide at massive scales. Ever saved a photo from a website? Ever shared a picture with someone else? You violated these rules.

And what are they going to do about it? Are they gonna sue everyone? Throw everybody in jail for "disrespecting" their imaginary numeric ownership. What a bunch of bullshit.

It's the 21st century. Better to just accept it and let go.

stem splitting makes me feel that way - i feel like legal music protection is just going to be turned on its head...when people can now sample JUST jimmy's guitar, just cobhams drums...JUST elton's piano...i wonder if its already happening under our noses?
No one is listening to Jimmy's guitar, they're listening to rubbish on TikTok.
There is no amount of legal protection that can prevent 1 individual from generating billions of movies based on an artists style. It's time embrace what the act of creating art will mean in the future. You can't just regulate away the driving force automation.
Whenever someone says something like this, my immediate reaction is to think they don't understand the economics of media or the attention economy. Productivity alone isn't a good metric.
Ok, what do I not understand about the economics of media or the attention economy? Expand on your point instead of blankly stating that I'm wrong.
Artist here. I can hardly protect my work from ghouls as it is. If I want to work for a company as an illustrator, it's like pulling teeth to get my personal work separated from their IP. Many contracts I've seen were 'you get salary, we get everything you make'. Hell I've seen a contract try to claim my knowledge of niche animation tools was company property.
Not saying existant frameworks are the ideal, I just think there should be a reasonable middle ground between corporate intellectual property hellscape And corporate we steal all your work to feed our ai sausage machine hellscape.
It is. People who say AI won’t kick people to the curb permanently are either completely ignorant or selling it.
They won’t. I wonder if there will still be demand for original content though because it creates a connection. A communication of what others have to say ?