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I roofed for a summer in FL. You wear long sleeves and a hat. You switch off every 30 mins from 11:30 to 3:30.
YOU most likely have lived a coddled life.
Roofing is hard but buddy everyone took precautions or quit (didn’t last the season). No manager forces dudes up on the roof, he knows it’s hot up there too. No one can force you up the ladder. If a boss got to demanding the crew would fistfight him or quit or refuse. If he was that bad his manager would fire him.
This is not a problem, working in the heat. Frankly - which I guess you wouldn’t clue into because you never worked roofing in Florida - I would bet the rule was meant to hamstring the Mexican crews so more white crews could get their work. The Mexican teams have more people (they pay less, and work faster - they switch off more often). Enact this rule and NOW you can send someone to the job site to harass and even arrest the Mexican teams who are usually not all legal. So you get to deport a Mexican roofer who if we deport any illegal, these are the most hardworking guys.
But nope everyone reads this as a ‘working conditions’ thing when it’s really a ‘let slower, higher charging white crews get more work’ because politics breaks everyones brains. And second order effects elude the majority
It’s interesting how in your other comment you’re saying “whoa whoa won’t anyone think of the illegals who are working hard to avoid deportation” and then here, “no one can force you up the ladder.”
Gymnastics to keep letting highly coercible people do dangerous jobs.
the Mexican teams are going up the ladders on their own. They are more like families frankly. The white teams are full of guys who quit all the time or don’t show up.
Getting on a roof is dangerous but so is sitting at a keyboard for 8hrs a day. I fully, for revenge, support regulation that unless you get up every 30 mins from your posh coding job and take a 15 min break your employer is fined.
That’s a great law right?I get to tell you what to do because I’m benevolent and not short sighted, because me and my viewpoint is never evil.
I’m clearly being good and nice!
Btw if you go to the gym, you’ll feel sore. So I deeply suggest don’t go to the gym! Avoid the pain, I’m a nice guy I vote a certain way and think only good thoughts I’m worried about you and I don’t want you working in a gym (gyms are dangerous, people have been hurt there).
I’ll use rhetoric that makes me deftly defendable because we’re talking past each other.
Why don't you use statistics and facts instead of very bizarre snarky rhetoric?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/us-worker-wo...
The rate of injury in roofers is 3.6 per 100 full time-equivalent employees. The rate of injury in software engineers is about 0.05.
Are you actually even trying to talk or, again, just putting on a gymnastics show for us?
I worked the job. I was on a white crew mostly and more than half of the guys I worked with drank on the job or came in hungover. A lot were on oxy and nearly everyone smoked cigarettes or did dip. Some were high (very few) but you can’t really function high, those types self selected out.
The clean guys were christian or the overseer/managers. So imagine a team that high/buzzed out working a very hot physical job, up and down a ladder, things going over your head… people make a lot of mistakes.
It is not heat! We’d already slow down noon (take a long lunch break) and did not pick up fast until 2:30 or 3:30 depending on cloud cover.
You can McKinsey me with statistics but I’m trying to very explicitly say it’s not the heat. It’s everyone on the crew being wasted and hungover on the jobsite. I had a guy throw a roll of flashing clear off the roof into me. People fell going up the roof. You could have these guys working in the shade, having 2 shots and a monster in you is gonna still gonna cause problems.
Software engineers are not drunk or hungover and doing something physical or else there would be a higher injury rate for them. If you stick a pointless law of roofers need heat protection, it’s only effects the Mexicans and takes their work. If you want that then fine by all means.
Come to Florida and go to a roofing job. Nail guns are quieter during the hottest part of the day.
The Mexican teams work through the heat and faster this way :
1. More of them. 20-15 vs 7.
2. They pay each guy less because some are illegal so they can afford more guys
3. They switch off more often. If you have 7 guys you can’t switch often. 15 you can stand in the shade more often, recover faster.
4. They don’t drink as much! I worked 2 weeks on a Mexican team and everyone was sober. Some of the younger kids looked a little hungover a few days but it was night and day difference. The jobs went much quicker and if there was no language barrier I would greatly prefer that team.
If the Mexican teams disappear roof prices go up. I don’t think it improves the substance abuse of the white teams. Everyone else can charge a little more.
My main point is the idyllic work environment you are hoping to enshrine with law is really a wage protection law against illegal roofers and doesn’t help the substance abuse.
The Mexicans are not loaded, carrying shingles up a roof while all the white guys are hungover getting outworked and realize they are losing bids. Rather than lay off drugs or lower pay so the crew can enlarge they smartly sponsor a bill to allow them to continue substance abuse while scaring the Mexican teams out.
Do you deserve a cheaper roof or do white drunk crews deserve more money? I side with the Mexican crews because they make even less, live in the US and don’t use so many substances.
I got hurt 6 times, once was my fault - the rest was my coworkers!
You didn’t click the link, did you?
I did. I felt it was a weaker argument for you.
How much can the California mind blame the heat? Yeah, I drank a 12 pack last night and I was slightly buzzed when I fell off the ladder. So let me blame climate change. Study finds heat decreases emotional control (published by a researcher from California): I hit my kids because the temp went up and I got mad.
Florida is known to be crazy and it’s actually pretty nice.
California seems like a state of permanent and ever evolving victimhood but is it actually pretty nice?