It surprises me how upset people get about stuff these days
That said, I don't think the ad should be taken down.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40313733
Talk about clueless...
If these are "just" ads (meaning they aren't a big deal) then why are millions spent on them? Why are Super Bowls ads an event all their own?
Maybe read up on some early figures in effective propaganda and advertising such as Edward Bernays. Watch The Century of the Self. Put your ego aside and accept that advertising might have a significant influence on a person's perception, reasoning, and judgment...and accomplish it in subtle ways you may not be fully cognizant of. That can also lead to more vast cultural conditioning. The boiling frog...
It's not "just" an ad and thankfully some people are applying critical thought and criticism against it. Why that bothers so many here might also be telling. Why are you being triggered?
Can you please expand a bit on what you feel should be the outcome here? To me it kind of feels like that the logical progression of your argument is that “any creative work with an influential impact is problematic”. That is a scary attitude that is used all to often to oppress more than provide freedom of thought. Music, literature, art, etc… all are used by their creators to illicit a response of some sort, and most rely on that response as a trigger to invoke a product purchase. Every creative is in the business of sales.
I want art to trigger an emotional response. That’s the point.
No? Any creative work with an influential impact may be subject to critical analysis. You can disagree with the conclusions, but it's hard to disagree with the act of analysis.
theres nothing inherently wrong with destruction as an artform
Maybe because we are exhausted by this woke bullshit telling us that everything is meant to offend and we should be offended by everything. Maybe because the level of outrage at an ad seems to dwarf the outrage we (don’t) see at things that actually deserve outrage. That our little snowflake society should turn its attention to bigger, real issues rather than let its ego get offended by everything that crosses its path.
It’s not a political issue, it’s a problem with our culture right now, probably driven in part by social media algorithms and systems (upvotes) that reward outrage.
>and most disturbingly (because they suggest destructive violence against children's toys, and against the child in all of us) a ceramic Angry Birds figure and a stack of rubber emoji ball.
Are you fucking serious man? It's just an ad
Or maybe they just care about craft, you know? Like the author of this article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40313733
And then there's posts like this which remind me that there is a whole group of people out there who are so deeply affected they read entire stories and write entire novels after a few seconds.
It's a solid reminder how differently worldviews are shaped.
They do. You are just not aware of the impact they have.
Disclaimer: I have an iphone, apple watch, ipad, airpods, and personal MacBook. I use a MacBook for work as well. Judge me as you will.
Or gone for the fetish crowd and had shapely legs (and feet) crushing objects, then taking the dust and molding it into an iPad.
Or had a big katamari roll up all that, then transform into an iPad.
But really, the reaction to the ad is ridiculous.
Unfortunately, this ad, with its destruction of artists’ tools, is completely tone-deaf to the sentiments of the creative professionals who loyally used Apple products. However, I argue that Apple has largely stopped relying on this market once revenues from the iPhone and services started overtaking Mac revenues. Apple used to be a champion of personal computing, not only emphasizing ease-of-use over its competitors, but also investing in technologies that made it easier for regular users to get more out of their computers (e.g., HyperCard, AppleScript). Today Apple is a vendor of luxury-brand electronics. It’s coasting on two things: (1) the goodwill the brand built from the 1980s through the 2000s as “the computer for the rest of us,” and (2) offering a platform that is alternative to Microsoft Windows and all of its shenanigans, as well as some PC clone vendors who load their PCs with preinstalled crapware. Even with point #2, I find pro and education versions of Windows less annoying than their home counterparts, and vendors like Framework and even Microsoft don’t load their PCs with crapware.
I hold the opinion that Apple lost its soul in the 2010s when Apple became the iPhone company instead of the Mac company. This commercial would’ve never been produced under the watch of Steve Jobs (“Think different”) or even John Sculley (look up “The Power to Be Your Best.”).
…aaaaaand I've tuned-out.
I make my money by creating software, but I'm a musician and photographer outside of the office. Even I was wondering why Apple was showing all these things being destroyed. It looked like the crushing of the human spirit - which is not what you want to be selling. Yeah, I "got it" at the end, but why start the ad with such viscerally negative destruction? Those viewers are going to associate that disgust with Apple.
A dystopian iPad commercial has X ripping Apple for crushing instruments and art
no.
is it a terrible, possibly even insulting ad? yeah, I think so.
pretty clearly the original concept was "the new iPad is so thin, let's make an ad that shows all types of art compressed into a small size". And somehow that got lost in translation during production to "let's destroy objects of artistic expression, and show them all obliterated, only to be replaced by our mass-market product".
if the goal was to generate controversy, it worked. but if they actually thought this ad would go over well, they're insane, and surely there is someone in the ad meeting who spoke up and said it was terrible, and they got shut down, and right now they must feel so vindicated.
To me, the message is clearly "the world we are creating is going to destroy you, you relic, you outmodded worthless luddite. You will be allowed to consume through our content square." but apparently someone with severe west coast tech brain thought these two ads were somehow conveying something positive?
Seems to me, the ad worked as intended.
Says a lot about the HN crowd, and I have to say, I'm disappointed.
The backlash against Apple is growing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cld0rxlqgggo
...in my opinion, for good reason. I haven't seen mentioned in any of the comments the fact that Apple controls their ecosystem, and takes away our freedom to use our devices. That's the antithesis of "creativity", and I'm disgusted that this seems to be OK with HN voters.
It reminded me of the old magazine clipping of a guy holding a camcorder over his shoulder and pointing to a table full of technology. "All of this fits in your pocket now."
Same thing. Chill out. You're free to not like something and have it continue to exist despite your dislike of it.
FFS
My interpretation of the ad is limited to "this tablet does a lot in a small form factor". I really don't see a higher meaning here.
Yeah, I "get it" - when the mess was over, I understood the message they intended to convey, but boy did Apple screw the pooch on this one!