You see things like it arise in a variety of guises and in a variety of spheres of life.
Oratores tend to overrate their own compute (wrt Hackers), mistaking gametalk for powertalk & vice versa (also: does the sage engage in PT), or, more rarely, tripping up in decidability problems (looking at you, Berne)
Maybe a more parsimonious model is thus: labrats(nerds?designers?) are sometimes preferred over the bellicose(noncom jocks?hackers?) because oratores bet on them grokking accountability/accounts/accounting. In our worldtree/conjoinedtrianglesofequiodsuccess, however one cuts it, the nerd-jock & the weird-normie (as well any head of church?) provide glue.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41338777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJYa68AnECY
“I believe fiction much more than non-fiction”
(Clue to the real reason the gods/minds play with mortals — the [abacus] beads of the (demi)gods who are trapped in the Slow Zone or its border?. Think Greg Egan has a couple of shorts covering this angle too)
EDIT: bellator von Hammerstein-Equord bet otherwise (Ritterbarde?)
Mu! (category error, at least for the Aristotelean sage)
The Gervais Principle describes how people behave in organisations (at the extreme: in prisons or gulags every inmate quickly becomes a sociopath); eudaemonia concerns people with sufficient autarky for yet another kind of talk: the enjoyable exploration of honourable topics among friends.
Such then being the eudaemonic talk, the corresponding character on the side of deficiency is gametalk, and on that of excess powertalk. Gametalk is deficient because it speaks of nothing and goes nowhere; powertalk is excessive because it is purely instrumental, and furthermore uses a great deal of instrumentality only to arrive at places of small interest.
compare https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... and https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext...
(all for now; I expect Epictetus will differ, for unlike Aristotle he's not about to argue that eudaemonia involves picking your parents wisely)
Fwiw i still find it hard to dichotomize banter of Sir H & Lord H, instrumental locally, but not overly excessive, and often returns to the status quo antebellum. Formulaic?
server error on those links coukd be bw on my side..
As far as EES and DJT go, neither seem to have the proper mean concern with regard to riches, for both seem to have been excessive in getting and have been deficient in giving (NE II,vii.4). That said, based on personal communication with the former, he'd (in my limited sample) score well on Aristotle's checklist (NE IV,iii.14-34) for proper mean concern with regard to honour, while judging from the social media output* of the latter, he'd score poorly.
* this is probably an upper bound: with the exception of (the fictional) Dolphus Raymond, I'm having trouble thinking of anyone who deliberately projects a dishonourable public persona to cover an honourable private one?
Any luck with the Schuetzenberger thm?
Will get back to aristotle when more bw thanks!
I was disappointed at the inclusion of this discrediting swipe at Brand, as if Alpha is something other than a space for any and everyone.