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by vixen99·1y ago·view on hn ↗
Britain has a very generous welfare system it cannot afford and appears to be unable to even reverse its expansion. According to the Center for Migration Control, there are 1.15 million foreign born individuals claiming some form of in-work benefit.

Irrespective of one's views on the migrant question, this is unsustainable. For instance, the National Health System (NHS) has recently been sending patients to Poland and Lithuania to try to relieve pressure on the waiting lists.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-...

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>Irrespective of one's views on the migrant question, this is unsustainable.

That's neither true nor irrespective of your views on "the migrant question", which are evidently informed by an explicitly anti-immigration interest group.

A million immigrant workers claiming "some form of in-work benefit" is not significant. See e.g. £23B unclaimed benefits last year.

Your fact about NHS waiting times doesn't support any claim you've made.

It's like you're trolling, but perhaps the best interpretation is you're a GBNews victim?

> According to the Center for Migration Control, there are 1.15 million foreign born individuals claiming some form of in-work benefit.

Isn't the relevant statistic more just how much tax income foreign born individuals give the government vs how much they take out?

I don't have a source on hand, but I thought immigration was a net positive in terms of tax revenue minus social assistance, at least in the US.

In-work benefits should have been presented as a short term measure to cushion the impact of the introduction of the minimum wage. The minimum wage should then have been steadily increased to eleminate the benefit.

Alternatively, use the computer system that manages the in-work benefits to find out which companies are exploiting the current system and tax them to fund their own workforce.

> Britain has a very generous welfare system

Its more generous than the USA. but its not generous. You try living on benefits

> 1.15 million foreign born individuals claiming some form of in-work benefit.

Indeed, but working age foreigners are way cheaper than boomer pensioners. The problem is, a large proportion of those foreigner are working to wipe the arses of said pensioners.

Moreover those benefits are a a state subsidy for cheap workers.

> Irrespective of one's views on the migrant question, this is unsustainable. For instance, the National Health System (NHS) has recently been sending patients to Poland and Lithuania to try to relieve pressure on the waiting lists.

Which is ironically unrelated to foreigners.

firsly, if your stuck on a waiting list not being able to work, you're not claiming in work benefits.

second the NHS has been chronically mismanaged for about 14 years, and needs staffing reforms to stop it bleeding staff (and driving up immigration)

thirdly sending people abroad to get treated is cheaper, and should return them to the workforce quicker, so reducing load on the benefits system

Lastly, immigrants are overwhelmingly young and free of chronic diseases. Its super hard to work an emigrate, find and keep a casual job if you need dialysis every week. Moreover, you don't get access to benefits instantly, and you run the risk of going undocumented which means no bank account, no public services and no legitimate housing. Its not like the states where you can carry on as normal. You're basically reduced to living on the streets or at the hands of organised crime.