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> Every corpse advances the cause of a just end to the war. If they want to live they ought to surrender.

You clearly haven't been paying attention.

Not only is Russia luring immigrants with false promises of employment and naturalization to pull a bait and switch and press them into the frontline roles, they are also coercing immigrants who they deem have expired visas to serve as cannon fodder.

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Russians are doing this bait and switch for years already. And Kenyans do have internet and are able to find basic information. So it is their fault for coming to Russia and expecting anything else than ending up as cannon (drone) fodder on the frontlines.

The first subject of the article literally had has mom warn him of the dangers and about half of Kenyans his age and demographics use the internet. Many of them said hell no to this posting.

https://statskenya.co.ke/at-stats-kenya/about/number-of-peop...

The rest are not completely uninformed nor stupid. News does still tend to trickle out over 11 years. They could also have insisted on someone to read what they are signing or refused the job change when they found out they would be murdering people even if it meant rotting in prison. Instead he said.

"Mum, the job we were told we came to do has been changed, but even this one is not bad"

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> You need to be terribly naive to assume that what amounts to human trafficking is avoided by googling a topic.

Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, they are going to Russia voluntarily, expecting that they will work or study somewhere in Russia while ignoring a all the evidence that they will most likely be sent to a meat grinder on the frontlines.

> Don't take the agency from them. Kenyans are not stupid, (...)

What? It's pretty clear it's the other way around: claiming that Kenyans are pressed to Russia's frontline because they are too stupid to Google the job proposals they accept is undescribable. Again: what Russia is doing throughout the world is blatant human trafficking to amass cannon fodder. They even do this to Russians who sign military contracts, who are promised cushy logistics positions back in Russia but then they see themselves rushed to the front lines to form suicide assault groups.

Again, they are not pressed into Russia, they are volunteering to go into Russia, despite the fact that they know what is going to happen once they get there. Stop trying to turn them into unthinking fools. They know very well what awaits when they will leave Kenya on their own accords and arrive to Russia.

> Again, they are not pressed into Russia, they are volunteering to go into Russia (...)

They volunteer to join the armed forces once they are promised cushy non-combat positions in the homeland or in the rear. Then they are pressed to form suicide assault groups to execute Zapp Brannigan tactics. Who do you think they are fooling with this assumption that everyone in Russia is suicidal?

I think that the point is that they volunteered to help murder Ukrainians. Some think they are doing work behind the lines to facilitate mass murder. Others know that they are going to actually participate in the murders but have unrealistic ideas about their chances or circumstances.

TFA's first line: "David Kuloba's mother warned him about going to Russia after he accepted a job as a security guard advertised by a recruitment agency in Kenya."

It's not for lack of google. This is poor young men being willfully naive hoping for a chance to support family and self. They seem perfectly deserving of sympathy.

> This is poor young men being willfully naive hoping for a chance to support family and self. They seem perfectly deserving of sympathy.

These poor young Estonians are being willfully naive, they just want to support their family, so they joined the 20th SS division. Do you think that they got any sympathy from allies?

Not sure about Estonian, but this is a discussion about the Russia-Ukraine war, so please stay focused.

The Ukrainian SS division got plenty of sympathy from non-USSR allies post-WW2. We can see their symbols proudly on display today in Ukraine's Azov brigade. Here you are displaying your sympathy for this legacy.

I recommend looking past the labels and extending sympathy to all humans trapped in this conflict.

Estonian SS division was not drafted, but voluntary. Kenyans are voluntarily going to Russia while knowing full well that they will end up on frontlines. No sympathy is needed, Kenyans know what they are signing up to.

The Ukranian SS division began voluntarily. Why would a forcibly drafted unit continue to be immortalized today by Ukraine's Azov? Look up Dmytro Paliiv and why a street there was named after him - as recently as 2017.

It seems the world is not as black-and-white as you want it to be. Sympathies should be shifted from irresponsible leaders and over to people who are trapped in this unfortunate war. Kenyans included.

If your grandparents got scammed, would you say the same thing? Tough luck you should have looked on the internet?