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This is a highly interesting comment from user "thoughtfullyd4c9a86b93" on the above site:

>"My two cents worth — Logic is fundamental. Most of mathematics does not treat infinities nor singularities as first class citizens. Yet, there are a lot of problem classes in which you can actually reason with a set that includes those limits. My preference is a strict axiomatic hierarchy where you can not blend “levels”. Each level is a gatekeeper for the next tier.

The idea that mathematics is a language of its own does not work until you completely disambiguate mathematics in your language of choice — and logic is a language that facilitates complete understanding.

* ⟨T⟩0: ZFC (The Material). The box that contains the idea of a box. If you aren’t starting here, you aren’t even playing the game.

* ⟨T⟩1: Topology (The Stage). This defines “nearness” before you own a ruler. It’s the rubber floor where a donut is a coffee cup—and where singularities (like the zero-point or the absolute) are perfectly admissible inhabitants.

* ⟨T⟩2: Geometry (The Ruler). Adding distance and angles. It’s just Topology after it’s been forced to commit to a specific measurement.

* ⟨T⟩3: Algebra (The Syntax). The ledger for people who trust the ruler more than the stage. It tracks the symmetries the geometry allows.

* ⟨T⟩4: Analysis (The Measure). Measuring the vibration of a string to prove the violin is real. Great for change, but “blind” to the structural admissibility of the stage itself."

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Reminds me of this quote by Oscar Wilde;

"I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying".

Here is what Grok says about the above (I asked it to explain it better):

Grok:

"⟨T⟩0: ZFC (The Material) — Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory with the axiom of choice (the standard foundation for most modern mathematics). Called "The Material" and metaphorically "the box that contains the idea of a box," highlighting how ZFC provides the basic "stuff" (sets) out of which everything else is built. Without this, "you aren’t even playing the game."

⟨T⟩1: Topology (The Stage) — Introduces the primitive notion of "nearness" or continuity without any rigid measurement (no distances or angles yet). Famously, topology is "rubber-sheet geometry," where continuous deformations are allowed, so a donut and a coffee mug are equivalent (both have one hole/handle). Singularities/infinities (e.g., zero-point in physics or the point at infinity in projective geometry) can exist naturally here without causing foundational issues.

⟨T⟩2: Geometry (The Ruler) — Builds on topology by adding concrete measurements (distances, angles, metrics). It's topology "forced to commit" to specifics.

⟨T⟩3: Algebra (The Syntax) — Focuses on symmetries and structures (groups, rings, fields, etc.) that geometry permits. It's more abstract and rule-based ("the ledger" tracking allowed operations).

⟨T⟩4: Analysis (The Measure) — Deals with limits, continuity, change, integration/differentiation, etc. ("measuring the vibration of a string"). It's powerful for dynamics but "blind" to deeper structural issues in the underlying topology or sets.

(Or, phrased another way, it's one set of possibilities for a "Math/Mathematics Stack" (AKA "Abstraction Hierarchy", "Math Abstraction Hierarchy") built level by level, on top of the foundation of Logic...)