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No, just a fan of people being informed.

People are being manipulated into outrage for political purposes. Many are unaware that previous administrations ( yes, on both sides ) prioritized deportations. The federal machinery in use has been in place over several presidencies and operated in many of the same ways. When given this information, people make less radical outbursts, which is good.

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the both sides does not hold water … imagine if Kamala was elected President and did 0.1% of the shit that was done in the last 14 months - like just imagine if she sent military to places where we have actual crime like Houston TX … the country would be literally burning right now. so “both sides” is very played argument I would stay away from

It absolutely does hold water - I've been sounding the alarm about Flock long before Trump took office. It took years to build out that network, it didn't happen overnight.

I apologize if my comment was not clear - I am not saying that both political parties are not same shit when it comes to surveillance and shit like that. but here on HN in particular, this "both sides" argument is being applied loosely to justify every imaginable thing that is making America into a country our parents have been scaring us off - every day we are becoming more like the countries and systems we have been fighting hard against. the "Obama was deporting..." absolutely cannot compare to "Trump sending military to always Democratic-led cities and in the process murdering in cold blood Americans on the streets of American cities" and yet you'll read over and over comments like OP that go "oh well, it is both sides" - which is why I gave example of Kamala sending US military to Texas (this would be fun, I am guessing some Hollywood liberal writer/director will eventually make (what could be an amazing) movie about this scenario

That’s just not grounded.

ICE absolutely goes to Republicans led cities.

Per Google: “ The Dallas ICE Field Office is experiencing a sharp increase in enforcement, with over 12,000 arrests between January and October 2025, marking over 100% growth and the second-highest volume nationwide.”

Also per Google: “ Mesa is the only municipality in the state with a contract agreement with ICE. We gladly welcome ICE into Mesa.”

Again, for Bakersfield: “ Based on recent reports, Bakersfield and Kern County are currently major hubs for U.S. immigration enforcement, with high levels of activity from both U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Border Patrol. ”

I quit looking after that one.

The ‘murder’ comment is false as well, of course. Hyperbole doesn’t help discussions of this type.

Can you somehow justify what you wrote?

didn’t think I have to but here it is:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-shot-and-killed-by-f...

and comparing minnesota etc to Dallas and Mesa is… something else but here we are…

Different bubbles for different folks, I guess. It was a big thing in 2024 that Biden deported more than Trump.

Which proves the outrage is about the method of deportation (black-bag Hispanic looking people, tear up their birth certificate in front of them) and not about the number of people deported.