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by _doctor_love·4mo ago·view on hn ↗
Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra.

It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact.

It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quite good at playing the long game (and I say that as someone raised firmly Protestant).

I saw a headline in NYT today saying this current historical situation is the United States "Suez Crisis" moment. Hard to disagree and hard to see how America recovers from this. I don't feel the pinch will come in the next few years but by 2036 I think the US will wonder what happened.

Also...I don't think a fast-follow conflict in Cuba right after this Iran affair is going to do much good, but that seems like where their appetite is going next.

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> Also...I don't think a fast-follow conflict in Cuba right after this Iran affair is going to do much good, but that seems like where their appetite is going next.

I was watching a video by Man carrying thing about Iran war, (he makes skit about things which are still good) and he mentioned the Cuba thing.

I am being 100% serious right now, I thought that it was just a joke of the skit. Are we actually being serious right now of America doing a conflict with Cuba?

After the Iran war where now Iran gets to tax the Strait of Hormuz, something it previously didn't do.

As Non-American, where is my say in all of this, heck, where is the say of every american in all of this. Nearly all the americans I know/talk to is disappointed themselves in all of this. You have got to be joking about yet another conflict.

> After the Iran war where now Iran gets to tax the Strait of Hormuz, something it previously didn't do.

I find it hilarious that one of the conditions of the ceasefire is that the straight opens. It was open prior to the war. Great negotiation. Wow.

That's how ceasefires work. One of the conditions of a ceasefire is that they cease firing. There was no firing prior to the war.
Where does the tax on shipping fit into this?

The US administration and military look like fools.

Of course they look like fools, war has changed very quickly in last few years since their friend Putin fully attacked Ukraine but they’re arrogant enough to not notice. Super-sophisticated ultra-expensive weapons are really nice to have but not that useful against swarms of cheap drones.
Even if war hadn't changed, the US would still fail.

I asked someone after the 9/11 attacks about the possibility of the USA invading Iran and even back then I got a "lol no that's nuts the USA would have its arse handed to it" kind of answer. Better phrased, but basically that.

Not the military, they largely did is they were instructed and mostly backed off much of the suggested full on war crimes.

The US administration and the parachuted in TV host head of Crusades that pushed out all the thinky cautious types .. they look like prize idiots, as they always have.

There was no war prior to Trump deciding to embarrass himself
America has been in an ongoing conflict with Cuba since 1959. Trust me, American insanity know absolutely no bounds, the rest of the world needs to wake up and do something about it
I still prefer American insanity to Russia or China flavours.
It's getting comparable to Russia since the Citrus Caligula took over.

China behaves quite responsibly outside of their borders (which are a bit fluid with regards to Taiwan and the seas, but still).

I would prefer that we stop putting the criminally insane in charge of WMDs, armies, and entire nations.
I don’t vote for them but when they’re in charge, I protest. I can do this because I’m not in China or ruSSia.
Remember this claim in ten years
> Are we actually being serious right now of America doing a conflict with Cuba?

Sadly, I think the answer is yes. Iran might put a brief damper / brake on the timeline but the current US administration seems intent on seizing the moment and pushing out the Castro government once and for all. It's "beef" that goes a long way back, if you look up the history of Cuba, even how Fidel Castro first came to power was under the banner of pushing out that era's US-backed administration. And Cuba had been a point of major US economic interests as well so the USA was not happy to see the rise of the Communists in their backyard.

EDIT: you mentioned you're a non-American and the Americans you talk to are all upset/disappointed. If you're European especially, the Americans you're most likely to interact with are well-educated and liberal. There are parts of the country that are firmly pro-Trump, where it's completely out of the norm to have liberal / European-style values.

> It's "beef" that goes a long way back, if you look up the history of Cuba [...] And Cuba had been a point of major US economic interests as well so the USA was not happy to see the rise of the Communists in their backyard.

This is Mark Rubio*, and only Rubio. This admin is all about letting the people who helped put it together each have their turn at using the US as the vehicle for their personal grievances and profits. No part of this admin cares about the United States of America or its history. It's simply a tool for them, they won't have to deal with the fallout from trading it in for generational wealth that puts them above it.

*The NYT has many pieces on this

> This is Mark Rubio, and only Rubio.*

I think you don't know your US history.

I think you are ignoring the present, and this administrations alternative timeline. If this, and the related Venezuela, happened during the Biden admin, then yes, history would be the factor. This is not that.
Yes. This administration is on a blitz ahead of the midterms. Rubio has his eyes on Cuba and he's positioned himself next to Trump. It is happening.
> Are we actually being serious right now of America doing a conflict with Cuba?

Trump says 'Cuba is next' in speech touting US military successes - https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-cuba-is-ne...

:shrug:

AI, Politics, Social Media, and indifference have all played their part. It’s not just the administration. The administration just knows how to manipulate those things.
I would reluctantly have to agree. The current administration is the culmination of something like 30 years of effort.
Big business interests have been pushing for this since the 1970s; a proto Tea Party, which morphed into the Fox News and actual Tea Party

Putin has been working on this since he came to power, ~30 some years

Israel has been trying to make the US do its dirty work since the first oil crisis in the 70s too / Yom Kippur War.

It’s been a field day for them this last year…
I'd say closer to 90-100. At least since the New Deal, but probably since the times leading up to it. The America First movement in the lead up to WW2 who thought we should side with the Nazis is indistinguishable from the America First movement today, which is comprised of Nazis.
It's a sombering thought that Germans were not all nazis, their government was. Right now USA has a lot of (semi)closet nazis both in economic and political positions of power.
It's just business as usual for the empire really. Trump just dropped the mask
> I saw a headline in NYT today saying this current historical situation is the United States "Suez Crisis" moment.

From the get go it looked like an engineered "Suez Crisis", on the inside and out. Nobody with real power is that dumb.

> Hard to disagree and hard to see how America recovers from this.

Hard or not, there's no alternative to recovery.

Bluntly, the alternative to recovery is failure to recover. America being the sole superpower in a mono-polar world until the end of time is hardly pre-ordained
So but T is unbiased. He threatens the Holy See and the holy khamenei.

Just another day.

> So but T is unbiased. He threatens the Holy See and the holy khamenei.

Reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSEwy8ZORc (Herbert Moon blames the Jewish British Catholic Homosexual elite for the undead plague.)

Every day is a new WTF? moment, but that's the point.

They keep pushing and pushing until the unthinkable is the new normal.

POTUS F' bombing on Easter? Sure, why not.