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Hah. Coincidentally, I was listening to this exact episode of future of coding podcast while stumbling upon this HN mention.

Access to these visuals really helps understanding what they are talking about

Is it the podcast "Feeling of computing" on Spotify?
Yes https://feelingof.com/episodes/080
Seconding for a great podcast! The second time in as many days that one of their research papers have popped up on here.
direct to pdf, https://joshuahhh.com/dims-of-feedback/dims-of-feedback.pdf
thanks!