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The AI labs look rather naive here.
You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it.
Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.
> You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it.
True, you can't. But, you can think certain regulations are helpful and certain other regulations are not. And you can be annoyed when unhelpful "regulations" are put in place.
This is like if I say that pitbulls are dangerous, and then the government comes and shoots my pitbull, who I've spent a lot of effort training to not be dangerous. Then you say "well you said pitbulls were dangerous, so you can't really complain." Well, I can complain because If you took me seriously, you wouldn't have responded by shooting only my pitbull!
Think of what incentives this creates for other people. Do you think that OpenAI will be candid about the possible dangers of their technology now? They might not even release it now, seeing that Anthropic releasing their model was what got it export-controlled.
I suspect they're taking this as a win either way, because they're still plastering "Fable 5 unavailable" on their product and using it as an opportunity to keep themselves in the spotlight as they head to IPO.
There's really not even a ban here, they could slot in Fable under the Opus label and no one would really be able to tell. It's all part of the same show to pump up valuation.
Well Anthropic would love some regulatory capture.
> You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it.
It's entirely possible that models could be "dangerous" to fully release to the general public without guardrails and at the same time the government majorly overreacted in this case.
Releasing Mythos to selected researchers and companies at least gives those researchers a head start at addressing vulnerabilities before the model hits mainstream.
This is 99% petty drama between the US government and Anthropic and 1% actual safety concerns.
Dog caught the car
Well it is reasonable to expect the bare minimum of due process, or you should be able to from a government that claims to be so committed to the rule of law.
Also a good wake-up call for investors as these big players can be benched at any moment.
Remember strawberry? I do. Rememver gpt2 hype? I do.
the hype isnt real, its marketing designed to inderectly siphon capital from the less informed.
The current USA government is no stranger to a grift, so they'll get it. Not that I agree with the practumice, this bubble will hurt quite badly when it goes, but at least AI fundamentally does deliver something useful, even if it isnt infinite value as typically promised.
Think dotcom bubble and the hype and promises made surrouning that. Tge hyper will pass, the bubble will pop, and life goes back to normal as ai becomes part of the mundane everyday human environment. Like websites and domains, some will be used well, some for evil, not everyone needs it, and as we continue to move towards energy being our fundamental unit of value / exchange, if we cant make these models way more efdicient then their use case will be rather limited in scope.
No. They got caught in a change in what it means to be "regulated".
Regulation in a functional democracy: Cool, lets figure this out, write up a bill for us, do some research in congress, lets find something that makes sense.
Regulation in a function fascism: Cool, wheres my bribe? My boots not shiny, lick it till I say stop.
See, Anthropic wasn't licking enough boot when Biden got discharged and they thought Amazon and OpenAI and Elon were just going to let them capture a market without fealty to the boot.
I’m way more concerned about the loons willing to throw absurd amounts of money at the clearly naive individuals.
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I'm tired of this story and the corresponding fake discussions because it's completely obvious that Anthropic was singled out because they didn't play along with the current US administration and this whole charade is just part of an extortion scheme.
I feel like I woke up from a coma and all the sudden people are taking the administration at their word. I'm so confused.
Had to disagree with that. However, I don't think you can discount how much Anthropic has been banging the drum about how AI is dangerous (specifically theirs) and an existential threat, etc. etc.
The rollout of Mythos was clearly manufactured to stoke the fears of companies that didn’t have access to it. They also bragged (for Fable) about how they "ran an external bug bounty that produced no universal jailbreaks in over 1,000 hours of testing" only for it be circumvented almost immediately.
So them standing on the high horse and saying it is _so powerful, yet so safe_ only to have that blow up in their face just made it that much easier to make an excuse to do this. Again, not disagreeing, but they made themselves the tall poppy here.
Are people here deluded?
Business 101 - never take on an entity who has ultimate power over you and can conduct a course of action to put your existence at threat
>Some administration officials have said that a resolution should include an acknowledgment on Anthropic’s part that its rollout of Fable and communication with the White House could have been improved, people familiar with the talks said.
>followed initial frustration Friday among some administration officials when they couldn’t immediately get Amodei on the phone, the people said.
That he didn't drop everything to talk to them seems like the major crux? But Dario doesn't even do the day-to-day operations Daniela does. Feel like Anthropic should just hire Dean Ball to be their liason or something
And Anthropic say they were on the phone within 15 minutes… This administration is not known for its honesty so it’s hard to take their side of things
I feel Dario did enough harm. I wonder if he can do the right thing and step down. It’s really just tiresome to follow all his PR/Hype/warnings and this fiasco makes everything he says seem so silly. At the same time he’s dangerous for the industry. In the end he may get more regulation than he asked for. If the gov decides the Opus models are too powerful without KYC they are toast. And to be honest I think they deserve it.
It's because the "crisis" is a sham for publicity, like Trump's constant bullshit deals and ceasefires that aren't real, they're just happening to find more problems to keep them in the news.
Being on the other side of the AI machine changes the perspective of whether it is dangerous or not, I guess.
Everyone has a price.
the coming IPOs will possibly create several billionaires. Standing on the top of a billion dollar pile would definitely change your perspective.
>Nicholas Carlini recently rang the alarm about the dangers of AI—and now he’s part of a team arguing for the latest models to be released
Classic Anthropic.
They need to send lobbyists not hackers.
"Carlini had never before found a bug in Linux, or in Ghost. Now he had discovered many."
New guy learns nessus, now tells everyone at the bar he's basically Mr. Robot.
A pox on the labs and the government. InfosecDrama.exe just took out a frontier model because a noob learned how to use a tool.
They are absolutely clueless about how to talk to this administration.
They needed to have administration insiders on their team months if not years ago, not just now
OpenAI, Meta, SpaceX are savvy enough to play ball, but Anthropic's public posturing and government affairs has always seemed too aloof and intellectual
They should have taken money from Thrive Capital.
This export ban follows Anthropic refusing to provide uninhibited use of AI to the US military, and the Pentagon subsequently listing them as a supply chain threat. That in turn led to Anthropic suing the government. This most recent development is obviously just a vindictive administration doing what it can to blackball Anthropic for not kowtowing to unrestricted military use like all of the other AI giants.
All the government has to do is simply pull up the blog posts of Anthropic's own CEO.
Carlini rocks, but they should have definitely NOT sent him. He will them too much, and they'll find even more excuses to block us.
This needs an experienced negotiator, ie. a manager
These are the consequences of fear mongering as hard as they did. You reap what you sow.
Now they need to convince the government that they didn't mean anything of the previous things they claimed.
OpenAI is also guilty of excessive fear mongering (remember GPT 2 is too dangerous to release?)
This isn't 100% Anthropic's fault, although I'm sure that's part of it. This is the current corrupt administration executing on a grudge they have against Anthropic, and the government's new found love of picking winners and losers.
Nah, that's ridiculous. This admin is corrupt and idiotic and it's silly to pretend that Anthropic's actions matter except in so much as they didn't bribe the president like OpenAI did.
"Nicholas Carlini recently rang the alarm about the dangers of AI—and now he’s part of a team arguing for the latest models to be released"
Many such cases, he was just hungry.
Isn’t that how Anthropic started? Raise alarm bells and ride the hype train.
I have good friends in the AI industry who are the living embodiment of that Upton Sinclair quote.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
You've never heard such strong one-sided cope until you've talked to an NVDA employee about AI. I'm not even against AI. It's just that a combination of intense financial incentives around a product that provides a good simulation of the Chinese Room has really fucked peoples brains up.
marketing shouldn’t exist. always exaggerated claims, half-truths.
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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Can you imagine how cringe it would be setting up that hero image in office?
I’m sure it wasn’t the intent but the halo really makes him look like a saint
Unrelated to this story but Carlini rocks.
tic tac toe in printf https://github.com/carlini/printf-tac-toe
Recently Regex Chess: A 2-ply minimax chess engine in 84,688 regular expressions https://github.com/carlini/regex-chess
I think headline readers might have thought I meant completely unrelated. It's not. Read the article...