No need for an expensive containment dome, or expensive plumbing. If anything goes wrong, the nuclear fuel is already a mile underground. When the fuel is used up, they can leave it where it is since it’s below the water table. No need for expensive and hard to source highly enriched uranium.
The hard part is digging the wells, but that seems trivial compared to Quaise, who’s trying to dig 3-20km wells. The Deep Fission wells can just go anywhere (perhaps next to a disused former coal turbine?).
> When the fuel is used up, they can leave it where it is since it’s below the water table.
To do both, they’ll have to guarantee that that column of water stays isolated from groundwater for a long time after the fuel is used up.
Reading https://www.deepfission.com/faq, they answer that question with
“Importantly, the mile-deep column of water in the borehole is expected to provide the pressure conditions required for safe reactor operation. Water within the borehole is also intended to contribute to the reactor’s thermal management system”. So, what do they do if their drill hole starts leaking, and they lose pressure?
and
“Our boreholes are expected to be lined with multiple layers of casing, including steel casing and concrete intended to maintain structural integrity and isolate surrounding geological formations”
I don’t think those are good answers. They say what they want to do, but almost nothing about how they’ll do that, and try to avoid making hard statements on the what by using “is expected” and “is intended”.
I wonder if just letting the water gradually dissolve the uranium might not be fine, actually. If it is done far from wells and rivers used for drinking water, then the small amount of radioactive minerals that slowly seep out might not pose a danger. I can't find any studies to back it up, but I imagine there are places on Earth at which enriched uranium buried 1.6km underground poses no threat. I am no expert, so I would love to hear what others think.
Steel and concrete are what we use above ground so.....
>They say what they want to do, but almost nothing about how they’ll do that, and try to avoid making hard statements on the what by using “is expected” and “is intended”.
They say nothing about how because those are trivial problems in the well (and oil) drilling industry.
Also the actual article it seems has nothing to do with fission, they are focusing on extracting the heat already down there. "superhot rock needed for next-generation geothermal power"
And even if you are stupid enough to actually do this, the fuel efficiency will be terrible. Your only negative feedback for fission is the Doppler effect and thermal expansion. So you will only be able to utilize a tiny percentage of the fissionable materials.
Agree. What I don't understand is: why has it never been done before? They can't possibly be the first to come up with this idea, which doesn't seem to rely on any novel technology.
perfectly safe /s
"For the application in EGS drilling, this device uses a metallic waveguide to carry the millimeter wave (MMW) beam to a standoff distance from the crystalline rock. Argon gas is used as the waveguide fill medium due to its ability to stay transparent to MMW’s at such deep depths and thus higher pressures [12]. Purge gas is also used to pump out the excess material that has been transformed into smaller particles (Figure 2.4). "
As a former geologist involved in drilling, thats going to get real expensive, real fast, in terms relative to regular mechanical drilling thanks to the requirement for argon. Perhaps theres an economically efficient changeover point at depth as mechanical drilling becomes less capable due to increasingly plastic deformation.
It's possible there exists a material that is transparent to mm waves, airtight, and can survive the conditions at the bottom of the hole. In such a case they could cap the waveguide and prevent any gas leakage.
I'm quite sure Quaise is well aware that Argon isn't cheap and are already exploring multiple avenues for reducing its usage.
It is interesting that they have to use Argon instead of the more typical Nitrogen or SF6. A waveguide with such a significant pressure differential is decidedly unusual and a unique challenger for what they are doing.
I doubt argon is the purge gas.
Nice article on an earlier demo: https://newatlas.com/energy/quaise-energy-millimeter-wave-dr... ; linked from this (nice but lots lots of ads): https://newatlas.com/energy/quaise-energy-millimeter-wave-dr... .
Company https://www.quaise.com/ on YT https://www.youtube.com/@quaise
MS thesis (2024; browsable) on the vitrified wall, for that and its intro: https://www.proquest.com/openview/624989df3cdd8055a6cee9affc...
Search for papers "Millimeter Wave Drilling for Deep Geothermal Energy Production" https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=Mil...
But why are there no near-term products? If you can cut through granite and such this way, it ought to be useful for other cutting jobs. There should be useful tools, such as small units for drilling pipe holes through concrete and rock. Going for a 10km hole as the initial product raises the suspicion that the real product is the stock.
We already have cheap and effective mechanical drills capable of these tasks, and it's unlikely a brand new technology can compete with those on cost.
Unlike in the actual design niche, where mechanical tools are infeasible due to the temperatures involved.
In case of something like underground tunnels these problems are avoided by having hole big enough to fit the drilling machine as well as all the equipment and crew to reinforce the walls with concrete.
The fact that people have made a way to drill few hundred to few km using mechanical means is already an engineering marvel. In the context of everyday manufacturing beyond the hole depth to diameter ratio of 5:1 things already start to get more complicated. With more specialized techniques you might get 10:1 - 100:1. A bit easier for softer materials like wood or if you don't care about precision. But for deep underground drilling we are talking about ratio of thousands to 1.
It's not like they are not making tests at shorter depths. Once technology is sufficiently developed it might also trickle down to some shorter few km holes if geological conditions are right. Although probably never for something like few dozen meter water wells or making a hole in concrete at construction site. Not sure how well it works in soft dirt. Who knows about distant future, we now have relatively cheap desktop laser cutters, laser pointers, measuring equipment, microwave ovens, but those were not the initial products when developing those technologies. On the other hand some tech like wire EDM has remained niche manufacturing technology, even though modern electronics and software could allow making it much cheaper.
Very interesting application of radio waves.
For generating the highest possible power of radio waves, vacuum tubes remain the only solution.
This drilling method resembles more a microwave oven (which uses a magnetron), than a laser.
I have been hearing about them for years in connection with enhanced geothermal, and while other companies are out drilling functional wells, Quaise is just getting basic drilling going, with seemingly zero promise of being cheaper than the alternatives.
Nope that's a 0.1kilometerstone.