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Not unrelated, this kind of information augments all kinda of law enforcement, greatly increasing the lifetime consequences of convictions, though sentencing penalties have remained the same.
Last century, a year in jail ended after the year. Now it is still there for every job application, lease, and loan you might take out in life.
The justice industry benefits with easy information, punishments are amplified and permanent, but crimes keep happening.
Let’s reconsider whether our medieval system benefits society or simply controls and exploits it.
Nah, we had the "Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 7 years" job application question in the 80's. And background checks were accessible.
A year in jail doesn’t necessarily mean a felony conviction.
Not at all the same. You didn’t have central databases for HR or apartment property management, background checks for cellphones, lots of interstate data connected with your PII.
I’m not sure if you’re kidding.
> Last century, a year in jail ended after the year.
Yes I am seriously refuting your prior statement. Not saying things are identical; I am saying a jail term didn’t disappear for part of the last century,
You are correct in that the statement was overbroad, but clearly there is a difference in the volume of information now from the 1980s, when mandatory sentencing became law.
I used it to illustrate the point I have made about the effects of the trend.
Glad you understood that.
The phrase "The Justice Industry" made me throw up in my mouth a little. How far we have fallen.
I take that as a compliment
Indeed, wonderful turn of phrase, thanks!
> Last century, a year in jail ended after the year. Now it is still there for every job application, lease, and loan you might take out in life.
My state touts that some felonies are eligible for vacation. One of the criteria is "The person has reached 120 years of age."
Wow, this thread really is a cesspool.
Lefties didn't have a problem with this when the intent was tracking ammo purchases.
None of them would want ICE to have that information.
And that's even ignoring for the moment the fact that things which are obvious weapons and things which are not obvious weapons pose different fundamental risks to society and that therefore it's always a stretch to lump them into the same category.
Ahem, you misspelled completely legal-to-own weapons. Whereas ICE is tracking illegal immigration activity.
If your objection to registering ammo purchases is that they are legal to own, well, I will remind you that so are credit cards.
Good! Illegal aliens shouldn’t get credit from any source. They’re bad risks, especially if they get deported…
You don't have to be an illegal alien to want to keep ICE/Border patrol from knowing things about you. They're a threat to everybody.
They’re a threat to those fearing deportation or arrest for criminal activity. If you’re not in those categories, you have exactly nothing to worry about.
I’m a lot more worried about the giant NSA data centers like the one in Utah, funded under prior administrations. Those are definitely warehousing wide-ranging data about all Americans (and others), harvested right off the Internet backbone…
Oh yes, we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
Yeah don't try to run over fed officers. Fafo.
> we definitely don't have news or straight up video of people who are regular citizens getting killed for no reason by ICE or even non-citizens getting effectively executed without trial.
You may have made-up “news” from the usual suspects, but you don’t have video. The videos of Good, Pretti, and the alien recently shot for using his vehicle as a weapon sure don’t show innocent victims dying at the hands of ICE. Any other law enforcement agency involved in the same incidents would have acted much the same.
In every case, the deceased put themselves in situations that lead to their deaths.
In two cases (Good and the alien), they attempted to use their vehicles as weapons.
In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location), inserted himself into a detainment attempt, and struggled with officers. He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire (they all knew he was carrying), but he would sure be alive today if he hadn’t done the other things.
They say stupidity should be painful. In these cases, it was fatal.
I'm going to start with a link to the Pretti video analysis. If you don't trust the Times, feel free to ignore their assessments of motives and you can just look at the analysis of what events happened and when which are factual details: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010668660/new-video-a...
> In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location)
I think you should know that the claim that it was illegal for him to carry that pistol is false and is a lie being told to you to deceive you into letting them sweep his death under the rug. Minnesota's concealed carry law (Pretti had a permit) does not restrict carrying in public or at protests. You can easily look that up if you care to. They don't think you will.
> inserted himself into a detainment attempt
This is also clearly false from all of the videos. There was no detainment attempt being made at that time. What is shown in all the videos is that an agent shoved a woman backward hard (to the ground) trying to get her to leave, not that they were trying to detain her. The woman was not part of any detainment attempt at that time. At that point she was merely a common victim of assault.
> and struggled with officers
Is that before or after he was being beaten while his hands were pinned down?
> He may not have fired the shot that startled the officers surrounding him, causing them to fire
The shot you're talking about was fired by one of those same border agents. It wasn't a magic bullet that came out of nowhere.
> They say stupidity should be painful
It is indeed true that some people enjoy pretending that cruelty is wisdom, but it isn't a good way to live.
>In Pretti’s case he brought a pistol to a protest (illegal in his location)
He also crossed state lines with the pistol!
> If you’re not in those categories, you have exactly nothing to worry about.
From what I've seen, this just isn't true. Anyone who isn't visibly licking their boots is at risk.
Maybe stay away from the Reddit bullshit koolaid.