Well, of course. The stigma surrounding AI use will only get worse with stuff like this. I'm not interested in having people single me out for using AI. So glad I switched away from Anthropic.
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The stigma surrounding AI use will get worse if... People know AI is being used? Sorry how does maintaining heightened paranoia by omitting clear signals help exactly?
I'm not interested in "helping" people call me "slop fetishist" or "clanker lover", thanks.
Unfortunately the witch hunts don't stop whether you use AI or not. Even if you don't use it, (unavoidable) false positives mean the anti-ai crusaders come for you eventually anyway. Happened in plenty of purity-seeking art communities already, will happen in code communities as well. The people who get hurt are the people just trying to make things. Best not to empower self righteous people with flawed sin-detecting tools, that's guaranteed to turn out badly for everyone.
Agreed... How did the art community deal with the witch hunts?
In my case the consequences are mounting. I've already essentially abandoned two communities over it. I'm sitting on human reviewed and tested mesa patches I can't bring myself to submit to upstream because of the AI stigma. I was using AI to revive some of my GCC work as well but abandoned it after their policy announcement. There seems to be no end in sight.
It was bad in one that I was part of. First they had people put their work through those ai detectors and there were a bunch of false positives, so they started requiring “process videos” showing you actually working on the project. But then people started calling those AI generated. Nothing could satisfy them. So you’d have artists making handmade work, putting it through ai detectors, submitting process videos of them literally working on the piece, and still they were driven from the community because enough people just got toxic about it. Felt very Red Scare. “Are you now, or have you ever been, a user of AI?"
As an aside, I’ve never seen any pro ai people treat anyone not using ai like this.
Did you write this with AI? jk
Hiding your use of AI will only make things worse when people find out. Look at how badly the CEO of Saber Interactive is crashing out after they lied about firing a writer to replace them with AI.
I don't hide my AI use at all.
Then why care about a watermark?
Because it's yet another signal prejudiced people get to use against me to dismiss my projects as slop.
But in the absence of a reliable signal (which I doubt this is anyway, so I'm speaking hypothetically), lots of people will get their work dismissed as AI-generated when it isn't.
People should not be dismissing other people's work at all, AI generated or not.
If you're looking for signals, it's because you want to do something based on the result. Maybe people should work on getting rid of that impulse instead.
> People should not be dismissing other people's work at all, AI generated or not.
It depends on what the nature of the work is. If it's a work where technical soundness is the most important thing, then I agree. The criteria should be whether or not the work is sound.
But not everything is like that. Take fine art, for instance, where being human-made is a core part of its value.
If you're a gamer: Have you seen the amount of AI slop on Steam? Or the amount of poorly created translations banged out with AI? Or the amount of shitty decomps appearing daily developed with Claude? People are looking for signals because AI usage is a strong signal of poor quality trash. You are not going to overcome that barrier by complaining it's being made obvious of it or complaining that people are being 'prejudiced', the only way you will overcome it is by proving you have something of actual worth. And if you can't prove that, then maybe you need to reevaluate what you are creating.