danabramov

LLM-designed sites like this are always so pompous. The obnoxious format does a disservice to what you’re trying to present.

No because apps are decoupled many-to-many with hosting. Every app can display public data from every other app because the source of truth is outside both apps (in hosting). App owner can’t do bad th…

A new hosting provider can preemptively request known relays to crawl it. Or relays (or apps) can lazily discover it when the user hosted there tries to log in for the first time, or their data is lin…

Yes to both. An app can choose to ignore/ban some users (or even entire hosting servers if they’re specifically created for network abuse). This is similar to how any web app may choose to ignore…

Who are “they” here? Hosting providers? Hosting is app-agnostic and you can run it yourself.

Alas no, but it’s just a couple. I resisted adding tags so far…

Note a relay is a perf optimization and doesn’t have to be a single shared chokepoint. These days running a relay is fairly cheap (~$30/mo?), there’s maybe a dozen of them, and some apps don’t us…

Atproto isn’t “many servers sending messages to each other”. It’s structured more like RSS: 1) there’s an app-agnostic hosting layer (and anyone can run a host, a bit like personal site with RSS) 2) t…

There’s a clear difference in architecture between 1) a layer of app-agnostic hosting providers + a separate independent layer of apps aggregating over data from those (like personal sites with RSS + …

There’s no such thing as “running a domain” or “atproto provider” in atproto. You’re approaching it with a Mastodon/AP mindset and it doesn’t match that. In atproto, there’s two axes. One is host…

If anyone here’s curious about atproto data model, I wrote an into here: https://overreacted.io/a-social-filesystem/ It’s a bit long but should give you a really crisp picture.…

ActivityPub and atproto are differently shaped. Pitting them against each other is like asking “why need web when we have email”. ActivityPub is email-shaped. Servers are inboxes sending messages to e…

If you're being honest, I apologize. I find it a bit difficult to believe but maybe it's really that the style is everywhere now. Partially it's sentence pattern cliches: >Not just …

"But here's the thing" Is it really so hard to write your articles by yourself? The blandest tone imaginable, all the usual LLM tells in the sentence structure. You are polluting HN a…

Hey, appreciate the reply! I’m sorry for lashing out as well. Re: protocol, I see where you’re coming from although I can also see the team perspective and I kind of like it the way it is. The team’s …

Does Google Reader help you make sense of it? It’s more like each app is like its own Google Reader. And indeed you were able to access the same posts via other apps at that time of outage.

I’ll just say that as someone who was on the React team throughout these years, the drive to expand React to the server and the design iteration around it always came from within the team. Some folk…

Coincidentally I just watched OBAA yesterday and found it very lacking. I’m so surprised by the positive reception. Great visual, acting and music, but I found almost no emotion in it because none of …

I've seen Claude pick it up too. It's disconcerting.

> And I have yet to actually see a real use of ATproto that isn't just immediately blown out of the water by ActivityPub. ActivityPub doesn’t remotely even try to solve problems solved by …

This isn’t Mastodon so a “Bluesky server” isn’t a thing. Mastodon is shaped like email so you have “servers” sending messages to each other. Atproto is shaped more like RSS with aggregation. Everyone …

Sure, which is why it's perfectly possible to work around those restrictions using any of the alternative apps that show the same data (but don't implement the legal restrictions).

ActivityPub does not solve any of the stated goals of atproto. Comparing ActivityPub with atproto is like pitting Email against Web. These are just differently shaped solutions to differently shaped p…

It's not "proprietary", it's openly specified and is literally being taken to IETF: https://docs.bsky.app/blog/taking-at-to-ietf Also, unlike ActivityPub, it&…

Unrelated apps ( https://leaflet.pub/ , https://tangled.org/ , http://semble.so/ ) don't go through Bluesky Appview (since they need aggregations of…

That's pretty much what atproto is, except it's typed JSON rather than HTML, and HTTP+WebSockets to allow aggregation. I wrote more about how it works here if you're curious: https:&#x…

There's a recent post by Daniel (who works on atproto) on why E2EE is not a current focus: https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3meluqcwky22a …

I agree with your parent that the AI writing style is incredibly frustrating. Is there a difficulty with making a pass, reading every sentence of what was written, and then rewriting in your own words…